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vaccine poll

Vaccinated?

  • Yes...Pfizer or Moderna

    Votes: 82 58.6%

  • Yes...Astra Zeneca or J&J

    Votes: 26 18.6%

  • not yet but soon

    Votes: 11 7.9%

  • not booking it yet but I might get it eventually

    Votes: 11 7.9%

  • not going to get vaccinated

    Votes: 13 9.3%
  • Total voters
    140
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POWERMAN said:
With the increase in vaccination rates lately, it looks like quite a few work places are now preparing to have employees/contractors return to office workspaces this September - depending on whether or not schools open up and transition back to in-class sessions instead of remote learning (as many parents were concerned about day care).

Some employers have also hinted towards the use of rapid self test kits which gives you the result within 15-20 minutes upon it being performed:

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https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/health-canada-home-covid-19-tests-1.6020482

^ Yes - this involves jabbing it up your nose every morning lol.

I am curious to see whether those have have taken two doses will still have to wear masks for 8.5 hours when on premises.
Also curious to see whether they will ban/prevent/fire employees who have not taken any vaccines (and do not intend to) from coming onsite.

Why should those people who were diligent enough to take both doses of vaccines still have to go through the inconvenience of wearing masks and self test (if needed) when going about their day to day life?
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Rapid tests now are selling for ~$40 per test. I highly doubt many businesses will be testing every employee every day. They also have a pretty high rate of false positive. I think you would quickly end up with everyone quarantined or waiting for PCR results if you tried.
 
Wingboy said:
The topic is vaccines.
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You have to define vaccine, because your statement earlier contradicts the term vaccine and falls under therapeutic.

Wingboy said:
The goal of the vaccine for covid19 has never been to eliminate the virus. Minimizing the number of deaths and keeping hospitals from becoming overwhelmed has been the priorities from the beginning. The vaccines have done just that. It's not like building a better widget.
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As per the CDC and virtually all medical sources...

Vaccine: A product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but can also be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose.
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Immunity: Protection from an infectious disease. If you are immune to a disease, you can be exposed to it without becoming infected.
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Immunization Basics | CDC

Immunization: The Basics
www.cdc.gov www.cdc.gov

None of these therapeutics provide immunity from the virus. Countless studies have shown that.

They provide relief from severe outcomes from the original strain as a therapeutic should, but so does nicotine. Doesn't make either of them a good option.
 
POWERMAN said:
Why should those people who were diligent enough to take both doses of vaccines still have to go through the inconvenience of wearing masks and self test (if needed) when going about their day to day life?
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Because these therapeutics don't give you immunity to the virus, they relieve more serious symptoms.

But the Delta variant while not hospitalizing as many vaccinated people, is killing nearly as many vaccinated as unvaccinated.
 
We had a brief staff meeting last week and our principal told us to be ready to continue wearing masks, cohorting and keeping up our current protocols come September...school boards have been mandated to continue to offer online learning in the fall, with the only difference being they can't switch back and forth between online and in class as often as they could this past year...at least in my board, they will only have one chance to make a change and that will be in January/22...remember that most elementary kids will not be vaccinated, only those aged 12 and up are eligible (so basically grade 7/8 which in my school is a small percentage of our student population)...I also know a few coworkers who have stated that they won't be vaccinated because they don't believe Covid-19 is a big deal, so yeah, things most likely won't change for me in the fall...sigh...😥
 
Got my second shot of AstraZeneca on Friday.
My first shot had me with a muscle soreness in the injection site for a day. No other side effects.
Second shot gave me an extremely low-level headache for about 4 hours, starting 2 hours after injection. But, it could also have been due to fluctuating weather (have a history of headaches and migraines due to that). Otherwise, zero side effects. Not even sore arm.
 
ToSlow said:
And here we set still wearing masks and following arrows around. Still not able to travel freely.

Yeah this sure resembles more like a project when you step back and look.
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We're not done vaccinating, and the virus isn't done with us yet.
 
There are already murmurings of a 4th wave happening in the fall, Tam has put this out there, based on the variants/delta etc. Hopefully, hopfeully this will be minimized by the rush to get more people onto the second shots.
 
sburns said:
There are already murmurings of a 4th wave happening in the fall, Tam has put this out there, based on the variants/delta etc. Hopefully, hopfeully this will be minimized by the rush to get more people onto the second shots.
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Doubtful a 4th wave will be minimized.
Still have too many anti-vaxxers or people who don't believe COVID is a dangerous thing.
 
I don’t think the season has any bearing on covid
 
BigEvilDoer said:
Doubtful a 4th wave will be minimized.
Still have too many anti-vaxxers or people who don't believe COVID is a dangerous thing.
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Statistics now show the vast majority who are dying from covid are non vaccinated ppl

We can't fix stupid...
 
ToSlow said:
I don’t think the season has any bearing on covid
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No it might not, but that was listed as a timeframe not because it is fall.

But having said that I am sure people being outside fresh air and not breathing air which is contained within a building etc, has to be better.
 
Here is where the USA is, with their sub-par vaccination rate: Nearly all COVID deaths in US are now among unvaccinated

We've still got plenty of people who want that second dose but haven't received it yet (myself included - Thursday) but we're likely to be at that point in late July at the rate things are going.

Then there's that pesky Delta variant. Ontario situation - estimated to be about 67% of cases now (it was 10% in mid-May) Ontario Dashboard - Ontario COVID-19 Science Advisory Table

Our rapidly-increasing second-dose rate hopefully will offset the rapidly-increasing proportion of Delta variant and stop case numbers from exploding in the short term. The good news out of that study is that the reproduction number R of delta variant is still near 1 or a smidge below, based on what the vaccination rate was a couple weeks ago (time for it to kick in, time for an infected person to get sick and get tested), and that second-dose vaccination rate is going up fast. But that's with everyone doing pretty much outdoor stuff, and with a lot of people working from home, fairly minimal indoor shopping, etc.

What happens come fall, with high second-dose coverage but with public health measures relaxed and people coming indoors ... is hard to predict.

I am concerned about what happens to our neighbors to the south. Some midwest states are starting to see case numbers increase. Missouri COVID: 615,421 Cases and 9,888 Deaths - Worldometer Arkansas COVID: 347,254 Cases and 5,893 Deaths - Worldometer - the latter doesn't look like much, but the 7-day average of number of cases has almost doubled in the last three weeks in both of those states.
 
Dimitri said:
So has nicotine. Smokers are hospitalized at a rate of 10% compared to their prevalence on society. Which has been known since last summer. Which makes sense as nicotine has been known for decades to regulate one's immune response. And the severe outcomes of COVID are a result of the over reaction of the immune system not the virus itself.

If everyone started to smoke or wore a patch, we'd cut down hospitalizations by 90%.

Does this mean we should do as France did and issue nicotine patches to frontline staff?

Just because something appears to work, doesn't make it a good choice let alone an ideal one.
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Are smokers protected against SARS-CoV-2 infection (COVID-19)? The origins of the myth - npj Primary Care Respiratory Medicine

A number of recent studies have found low percentages of smokers among COVID-19 patients, causing scientists to conclude that smokers may be protected against SARS-CoV-2 infection. National and international media were interested in this story and we soon began receiving questions about this...
www.nature.com www.nature.com

Non.
 
Get my second dose on Canada day. First was Phizer. Decided to get Moderna instead of waiting 3 weeks longer for the Phizer.

Can we let the no minds (anti vaxxers) skip the vaccine and have Darwin sort it out?
 
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