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TMP lapping day Oct. 6-8

1:27 in red? That's a SLOW red group, 1:22 is more like it. I ran 1:22 in green however I have self controll and can go slow and pass at appropriate times. You two just need to ride the track, learn to deal with slower riders and take advice from people that know what they're talking about. You'll learn a fast line and where the bumps are with seat time not thinking your fast and jumping to red so you can get practice being a rolling road block.
 
dricked said:
1:27 in red? That's a SLOW red group, 1:22 is more like it. I ran 1:22 in green however I have self controll and can go slow and pass at appropriate times. You two just need to ride the track, learn to deal with slower riders and take advice from people that know what they're talking about. You'll learn a fast line and where the bumps are with seat time not thinking your fast and jumping to red so you can get practice being a rolling road block.
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It was the tight passing restrictions in Green that screwed us up. Only passing on the two main straights, not under braking, etc. It sucked to follow around a super slow litre bike all lap to have him drag race you down the straight. Eventually 5 or 6 bikes would pile up behind a slow rider then all try and pass each other on the straight. It was a cluster**** just waiting to happen :(

-Jamie M.
 
toysareforboys said:
I was waiting all afternoon, in yellow group, to get passed so I could follow a faster rider around and watch their lines, etc. But that never happened! lol.

I agree, you get lots of practice passing people, but not much getting passed. I guess it's best to just sign up for red and almost get run over constantly, so you get practice getting passed aggressively, and also on the off chance you might be able to keep up with at least one of them ;)

-Jamie M.
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I've watched you, you're very fast. I'm still not exactly sure about the best lines everywhere, so I've been experimenting. You didn't pass me, and I didn't passed you either on the 20th. But I think you're slightly faster than me, or at least more consistent at it and choosing your lines, which is great. It's probably not my place to say it as I don't have too much experience, but IMO you should sign up for red, but warm up in yellow...also you can fall back in yellow any time if you feel like you're not ready for Red. If I'm coming this weekend though, I'll be in Yellow, no red for me yet until I become consistent with my faster lap times.
 
Corsara said:
I've watched you, you're very fast. I'm still not exactly sure about the best lines everywhere, so I've been experimenting. You didn't pass me, and I didn't passed you either on the 20th. But I think you're slightly faster than me, or at least more consistent at it and choosing your lines, which is great. It's probably not my place to say it as I don't have too much experience, but IMO you should sign up for red, but warm up in yellow...also you can fall back in yellow any time if you feel like you're not ready for Red. If I'm coming this weekend though, I'll be in Yellow, no red for me yet until I become consistent with my faster lap times.
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Umm... Ok. So running in the red group is more dependent on proper lines than speed. Jamie I've watched ur videos and youre doing good but I would recommend staying in yellow. You will be a danger to yourself and others IMHO. I'm not a pro ( far from it) but that's asking for trouble. Forget about lap times and when u can run proper (and consistant) lines, then make the step up.

I'd take a guy running 1:35 lap times and perfect lines than a guy running 1:20 and all over the track. I'm gonna pass u when ur not expecting it but I'm gonna be expecting you to hold your line. Just imagine two bikes going 80-180 km/hr smashing into eachother....I don't know about u but that's not my idea if a good track day. Just my 2 cents.

And corsara, if you think it's not your place to say please don't. We have enough people on this site that give bad and/or inappropriate advise. Please don't join this group. I generally lurk and read and laugh, but comments like this ... I Couldn't resist. ;)
 
dricked said:
1:27 in red? That's a SLOW red group, 1:22 is more like it. I ran 1:22 in green however I have self controll and can go slow and pass at appropriate times. You two just need to ride the track, learn to deal with slower riders and take advice from people that know what they're talking about. You'll learn a fast line and where the bumps are with seat time not thinking your fast and jumping to red so you can get practice being a rolling road block.
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I agree.

gs500f said:
And corsara, if you think it's not your place to say please don't. We have enough people on this site that give bad and/or inappropriate advise. Please don't join this group. I generally lurk and read and laugh, but comments like this ... I Couldn't resist. ;)
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Yes, sorry. Although I think I explicitly made a note that I am not giving advice, but just an opinion by somebody, who is not qualified to give advice. :)
 
carboncat said:
Nope the bikes will warm the track just fine
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What????

Corsara said:
Well, that could be a problem: I'm always either all in or pass...and that extends to everything I do (which is unfortunate in some cases).
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That is stupid.

Track conditions change all the time. If you can't adjust to changing track conditions, which sometimes has nothing to do with temp, you're going to have problems.

toysareforboys said:
It was the tight passing restrictions in Green that screwed us up. Only passing on the two main straights, not under braking, etc. It sucked to follow around a super slow litre bike all lap to have him drag race you down the straight. Eventually 5 or 6 bikes would pile up behind a slow rider then all try and pass each other on the straight. It was a cluster**** just waiting to happen :(

-Jamie M.
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This old song again? Was someone pointing a gun at you preventing you from coming off the track and finding a big gap in traffic?

Pit off, wait ten seconds, go back on the track. It's pretty easy.

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caboose483 said:
Track conditions change all the time. If you can't adjust to changing track conditions, which sometimes has nothing to do with temp, you're going to have problems.
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There's no need to make excuses folks. I know I have in the past. Suspension, tires, temps yaddah, yaddah, yaddah....Sometimes you're good and on your game. Sometimes you're not and are slow and nervy. Sometimes you just can't get loose. But making excuses in advance of even getting to the track isn't necessary. Turn up and ride the conditions. And that includes how you feel, how your bike feels and how the track feels. If you're not as fast as last time out then so what? Hopefully you've learn't something different to going fast. Sometimes riding a cold, greasy track teaches you stuff. You can learn great things from a track that is changing and evolving throughout the course of a day. If there's someone faster than you so what? There always will be.

If you're making excuses this early in the process then you're gonna psyche yourself out and not do your best or not enjoy your day. I ALWAYS enjoy the anticipation of going out to the track. I'm ALWAYS nervous/rusty first session out. So what?
 
Good Post....I just ordered new chain and sprockets....STOKED!!!!!!!!!!!! Even though I wont have them on in time for this weekend.....Im beyond excited....GIDDY!

Jenn

Fiery254 said:
There's no need to make excuses folks. I know I have in the past. Suspension, tires, temps yaddah, yaddah, yaddah....Sometimes you're good and on your game. Sometimes you're not and are slow and nervy. Sometimes you just can't get loose. But making excuses in advance of even getting to the track isn't necessary. Turn up and ride the conditions. And that includes how you feel, how your bike feels and how the track feels. If you're not as fast as last time out then so what? Hopefully you've learn't something different to going fast. Sometimes riding a cold, greasy track teaches you stuff. You can learn great things from a track that is changing and evolving throughout the course of a day. If there's someone faster than you so what? There always will be.

If you're making excuses this early in the process then you're gonna psyche yourself out and not do your best or not enjoy your day. I ALWAYS enjoy the anticipation of going out to the track. I'm ALWAYS nervous/rusty first session out. So what?
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caboose483 said:
Pit off, wait ten seconds, go back on the track. It's pretty easy.
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Doesn't always work in Green.
Last time out, tried the pit out, wait 10 secs and rejoin, only to catch the offending "straight line hero who parks infield" by turn 7 at TMP.
Pit-out again. Wait for rider to almost complete a full lap (at last marshall station) before rejoining.

Just wish some people would have the common sense to have a quick peek before hammering on the gas in the straights when they're on a litre bike. Really sucks when you've got a parade line forming behind a rider.

This past weekend at TMP one rider got ****** from the marshall at the track entry point for being a straight line hero.
 
Here's my take. Stick to Yellow boys... leave Red to the experienced riders and racers.
 
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Bigevildoer said:
Just wish some people would have the common sense to have a quick peek before hammering on the gas in the straights when they're on a litre bike. Really sucks when you've got a parade line forming behind a rider.
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You'd think they'd hear people behind, but maybe not... Ego maybe?

When I borrowed my friend's bike for a session on Nelson (in red) I knew I wasn't on pace, and knew people would be lining up behind for a few laps until I got in the groove on his bike, so I simply put up my hand coming out of turn 7 and stayed in tight on the straight. 3 people went, done. Simple and safe.
 
toysareforboys said:
If you've got real race tires, the ground might be "too cold". What ya runnin?
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Why do you continue to give advice on things you know absolutely nothing about? Stop it.

Corsara said:
I'm not ready for that, I think. I was passed only one time, and it startled me. But it's kinda ironic, if you run fast in your group, how can you "practice" getting passed?
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You ask a control rider to pass you in a controlled way in yellow group. In red group people will pass you inside/outside/after tip in/under braking and with their knee on the ground close enough that you can reach out and touch them. If that is going to spook you stay out of red group because you will cause an accident. Lap times mean very little as there's kids on little two strokes running around in red, being predictable and consistent is whats required.

If you're actually fast passing in yellow group is a non issue. There are a half dozen places you can pass a slower rider with tons of room for error at TMP.

Bigevildoer said:
Just wish some people would have the common sense to have a quick peek before hammering on the gas in the straights when they're on a litre bike. Really sucks when you've got a parade line forming behind a rider.

This past weekend at TMP one rider got ****** from the marshall at the track entry point for being a straight line hero.
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The marshall probably would have looked the other way if you had stuffed said rider in a braking zone. Sometimes it's okay to bend the rules just a little, as long as you're still safe about it.
 
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KawasakiGal said:
I just ordered new chain and sprockets....STOKED!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Did you go with a crazy gearing change?! :)

Bigevildoer said:
Doesn't always work in Green.
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That's for sure. With 25 bikes out in green it was super difficult to find a re-entry spot after pulling off, you'd just be stuck behind the same people every time. If there were 10 or 15 in green, maybe, but with full group, it was retarded.

doozerdave said:
You'd think they'd hear people behind, but maybe not... Ego maybe?
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With my retarded exhaust I've never heard someone come up behind me. I probably should make it a habit of looking back between turn 9 and 10 so I know if I need to not rip it down the straight.

-Jamie M.
 
toysareforboys said:
With my retarded exhaust I've never heard someone come up behind me. I probably should make it a habit of looking back between turn 9 and 10 so I know if I need to not rip it down the straight.
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No, don't get in the habit of looking back. It's a very dangerous habit. If you have time to look back between 9 and 10 then you're way too slow in 10 ;) Just kidding, I know you're learning.

Anyway, I'd say take a look when you're heading onto the straight (done turning!). If people look close, maybe back off a bit and get a hand up for them to pass. Don't make any sudden moves to the inside unless you've given a good check to see that nobody is going that way. Alternatively, probably safest, put a hand up before 10, and take 10,11,12 slow and stay to the inside heading onto the straight. If nobody is there, get back on it and don't worry.
 
Nick_f said:
soooooo back on topic, who is all going? http://www.theweathernetwork.com/weather/caon0128
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Dammit, they said no rain on Sunday! Now WTF :( My bike is in serious need of repair, so looks like I might have extra time to get it done this weekend if I only do track day on Monday! lol. Ok, I've got the trailer booked and everything anyway. If my new rad gets here on friday and I don't have any issues with the install, I'll be there on Sunday, rain or shine. If it rains I'll probably stay for Monday too.

doozerdave said:
If you have time to look back between 9 and 10 then you're way too slow in 10
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LOL :) I'm a pussy in 9, just can't seem to carry any speed through that, and seems to be calm enough under acceleration to 10 to be able to look back easily. I'd rather know before I get to turn 12 so I can wheelie it out and down the straight ;)

-Jamie M.
 
toysareforboys said:
LOL :) I'm a pussy in 9, just can't seem to carry any speed through that, and seems to be calm enough under acceleration to 10 to be able to look back easily. I'd rather know before I get to turn 12 so I can wheelie it out and down the straight ;)
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Uhm... yeah, don't do that when I'm there. Memories of buddy looping it and spilling oil down the straight a few years ago. :(

9 is a slow corner, which makes it tricky, but a lot of people seem to go slow through 10 even though it's quite a fast corner. On my SV I even shift up once between 9 and 10!
 
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