TMP Labour Day Weekend

[yammyr6]

If you are facing the track then ya to the left. You were talking a bit with a couple of my buddies but I never had a chance to say what's up as I was talking with a bunch of friends that came to hang out. Did you almost highside in front of one of them?


Push you to...nope, encourage you to...yep. I don't want to push anyone to do anything but you enjoy it so have at it

Ok yeah, I was talking to your buddy with the blue bike. He saw me save it lol phew

 

[ATTS]

Ok yeah, I was talking to your buddy with the blue bike. He saw me save it lol phew

If it was the one with the yellow mirrors than he might have it on gopro, if it was the old gsxr #421 than nvm.

 

[yammyr6]

Might hve been the older one. If possible, post some videos up brother.

 

[DownUnder]

Sunday was nice, started to sprinkle just as we came off and stopped/dried before our next session then called it a day a little after 4 (not sure if we would have gotten another session anyways)

It was my second day at TMP and my third trackday overall, was planning on signing up in yellow but it was full so had to sign up in red. I dont think I held up anyone...?(not to bad at least lol) There were a couple guys that were really fast that I couldn't hang with once they passed me but for the most part it was nice to pass some guys in red and not get passed by the others. I saw I need to definately work on braking harder and later as well as having more consistent fast laps once warmed up.

Anyone else on the forum that was running red on Sunday? Nice to put bikes to handles.







Thanks for the pics! Does she have any others? Either post up or PM me, thanks again.


Where were you pitted/what were you riding? I was pitted second from the end.



Thanks also for the pics.



Were you pitted with the black 675 down near the end?

I was in the same boat, only my second time at TMP, called on Saturday and was told yellow group had plenty of spots, got there about 8:15 Sunday and it was full so ran in Red instead. I think I held up a few guys, overtook a few too. There was very few bikes in Red group and for a couple of the sessions I had clear track for the entire session, no one in front or behind me, it was awesome.

A few more pics too mate.

 

[DownUnder]

Here are the photos I took from Saturday, be kind I'm in no means a 'pro' at photography I just 'point and shoot' lol

There are lots so here is the link:

http://flic.kr/s/aHsjHWG8Kr

( BTW Hope the link works haha)

Thanks to all the riders for lapping so I can take the photos, and a big thanks to the riders from Monday's lapping for respecting this still track day noob

Nice, thanks for sharing the pics.

 

[Fiery254]

I agree, if i was really chasing seconds/racing, I will however eat a piece of humble pie and admit I simply dont know enough about how to set up my suspension for different tracks quite yet. I had my setup done by someone who really knows what hes doing as what he described as an 'aggressive but neutral enough' setup. I just work with what he gave me because as I said, i just dont know enough to intelligently make changes. I am pretty sure my TTX rear is set with close to full preload and 4 clicks out on both rebound and compression. Chances are this isnt perfect everywhere....but i run it everywhere.

I'm not intelligent enough either!! So I took some baseline readings from my Calabogie setup, emailed these to the guy who did my suspension and asked him for some general adjustments for different tracks. He was kind enough to oblige with suggested adjustments and I went from there.

All I know is that my Calabogie set up made the bike almost unrideable in several corners at TMP (or so it seemed to me). And once that was fixed in my head I had to do something. I'd have had more success giving a chimp a screwdriver than doing it myself so I sought expert advice. It really is a dark art.

 

[ATTS]

Might hve been the older one. If possible, post some videos up brother.

I will check to see if I have any with you in it, I don't remember passing or being passed by you out there though.

I was in the same boat, only my second time at TMP, called on Saturday and was told yellow group had plenty of spots, got there about 8:15 Sunday and it was full so ran in Red instead. I think I held up a few guys, overtook a few too. There was very few bikes in Red group and for a couple of the sessions I had clear track for the entire session, no one in front or behind me, it was awesome.

Thanks, and tell your girl thanks. Which bike were you?

 

[awyala]

Are you qualified to give suspension tuning advice?

Nah. Somewhere in the learning curve myself.

But I will add that I was running 25PSI dead cold, in 27C with a soft-ish rear set up, and the rear really didn't start to tear until I was regularly under 1:20 and towards the late mid afternoon.

It sounds strange to me, that a street / track Super Corsa SP (which doesn't need tire warmers) suffers from cold tearing under such conditions. Same set up at Bogie produced nothing near the same effects, but I wasn't running sub 2:25s much though.

I would say 4 to 5 sub 1:20 laps at TMP is enough to put sufficient heat in a street / track tire (perhaps not a slick), and if tearing occurs under those conditions it is worth playing with the suspension +/- a couple clicks to see what works and learn for youself, find your own set up that inspires confidence.

Start with a good universal baseline, and as your times improve you begin to see the need for adjustments, then adjust session by session and log the results.

So no I am not qualified to give suspension consultation, but then again this is just a track day and no one is charging fees here.

I suggest lessening rear rebound and noting if you improve the tire wear or have any adverse effects on grip or see-sawing.

I am also prepared to eat some humble pie, served steaming hot.

 

[kellen]

sounds like the exact same scenario as me. and as i mentioned above my tire kept growing, it was weird, i got there in the morning, dropped the rear to 21 cold, put on the warmers, ran a session, came back in the pits, checked the pressure right away, tire was at 26 psi, dropped it to 23, and two more times it managed to go to 25 psi, final session i came in and the tire stayed at 23 finally and the bike felt good and the tire wasnt tearing at that point. checked my cold pressures the next morning and the tire was at 16. its weird because its a uk ntec d211 and i was told they only grow 2 psi from cold to hot.

don't even bother with cold temps, they are meaningless
take pressure off the warmers, right before you go out

 

[awyala]

Just checking with some Pirelli forums and they advise for a baseline on SC SP to run 31F-28R off the warmers. Heat soak tires in the warmers for 60min @ around 76C. This may vary with slicks of course, just as the matrix posted earlier for Dunlop. There were some crazy low cold PSI numbers there too, so I guess it all depends.

TMP is a hard braking track as well as hard accelerating but generally not much mid corner roll on action, so it may be the case that your front tire is up to temps but the rear, especially a slick is getting cold except for a few corners where you (49over) really ham fist wheelie it.

So as said before, it's a dark art, no body has the right answer (for you), but it's definitely not a tire / manufacturer issue. If you're not yet ready to play with suspension settings, play with tire pressures first from a baseline (do a little research for that particular tire). Once you're happy you tried the gamut and perhaps found a best-of solution, if the tearing is still ocuring, move on to a less rear rebound, and perhaps a stiffer rear comp. Remember one variable at a time and log results!

Or switch back to BS and save the rubik's cube routine!

 

[uchi]

Why are you not taking your temperatures off the warmers? and then comparing them to temperatures right off the track?

Rear should have started 23 Hot off the warmers I was told by Dave Noble

Anyways, knock yourself out and good luck

i usually do check the pressures on the warmers and after a session, the bike was on the warmers for about a half hour before i went out so i didnt bother checking the pressures till before the next session when i knew the tire was going to be hot. as for temps, someone brought a temp gun, rear was 185 fresh off the warmers and about 150 when i got back in

 

[uchi]

don't even bother with cold temps, they are meaningless
take pressure off the warmers, right before you go out

thats generally what id do, but i didnt think the 30 minutes the bike sat on the warmers was enough to get them to proper temp so i just ran the first session easy and then checked pressures when i knew theyd be up to proper heat.

 

[uchi]

heres my rear, now ive gone on the street for one ride and its cleaned up a bit with that ride but it was just a short ride, regardless you can see where it was wearing, caboose came to the track and said it looked like my issue was i was too hard on the throttle out of the corners, so between that and making sure my pressures stayed low i was able to clean it up a bit, but as he said the spot it tore would indicate a problem with my right hand not my suspension

 

[uchi]

this was another one i killed, this one looked like ****, i didnt change anything in the suspension from this one to the one i posted above, but i set the temps in the morning and didnt check them till lunch or so and they were at 26 psi hot. then again when i killed this one i was running some cheap ebay warmers and not the woodcrafts i have now

 

[awyala]

this was another one i killed, this one looked like ****, i didnt change anything in the suspension from this one to the one i posted above, but i set the temps in the morning and didnt check them till lunch or so and they were at 26 psi hot. then again when i killed this one i was running some cheap ebay warmers and not the woodcrafts i have now

Speechless!

 

[Benny!]

this was another one i killed, this one looked like ****, i didnt change anything in the suspension from this one to the one i posted above, but i set the temps in the morning and didnt check them till lunch or so and they were at 26 psi hot. then again when i killed this one i was running some cheap ebay warmers and not the woodcrafts i have now

Cheap ebay warmers wouldn't have made a difference anyway. After a couple laps your tires would have been warm regardless. Tmp is just a rough track with bumps that cause your tires to skip when you roll on out of the corners. Bad suspension doesn't help. What do you ride?

 

[Corsara]

this was another one i killed, this one looked like ****, i didnt change anything in the suspension from this one to the one i posted above, but i set the temps in the morning and didnt check them till lunch or so and they were at 26 psi hot. then again when i killed this one i was running some cheap ebay warmers and not the woodcrafts i have now

// PICTURE OF ****ED UP TIRE

Yikes! This is how mine looked with 22psi (checked before removing the warmers before every session), stock shock never serviced (hence no need to reliably talk about comp/reb settings, although I have tried to do some adjustments in the past thinking I've noticed differences), I'm 200lb, a few 1:24, many 1:25-1:26 and a whole bunch of 1:27-1:28 laps in the first sessions:

 

[caboose56]

Cheap ebay warmers wouldn't have made a difference anyway. After a couple laps your tires would have been warm regardless. Tmp is just a rough track with bumps that cause your tires to skip when you roll on out of the corners. Bad suspension doesn't help. What do you ride?

Completely false.

 

[uchi]

I'm on a 2001 Gixxer 1000 with full ohlins suspension. It's set up for aggressive Street riding , it's been set up by a buddy who raced and ran 1:15s around tmp so I trust him to set the bike up. That tire there I think was primarily a pressure issue, actually I made a mistake in my earlier post, that tire was set to 26 hot because I had a hard time convincing myself that 23 hot was how low a dot tire should be run, the Dunlop I ran the next time was showing 26 hot mid day and I aired it down and saved it a bit, the first picture I posted was me adjusting my riding style and keeping track on pressure, I've gone as fast as 1:22.7 around tmp so I'm not a pro but Learning as I go

 

[doozerdave]

Completely false.

I knew that was coming

This thread is on the verge of becoming an epic (mis)informational thread. I'm staying out of it because diagnosing tire problems can't be done over the internet. Oh damn, I may have just gotten into it...