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Paul1000RR said:
Read below... ;)
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I see where both you and DDean are coming from, however both of you fail to show any evidence to the "exploitation of the customer" claim.

If the dealership coerced OP into putting a deposit down and offering him an option to cancel and get his money back at any point, then I would whole heartedly agree with you both. This does not seem to be the case. As far as you and me know, there were no deposit-refund options given to the OP, implied or otherwise; bear in mind we have only heard OP's side of the story.

What we have here instead is exploitation of social media/this forum to cast a negative image of the dealership in order to get away with bypassing a legally binding arrangement; I.e. The OP is using means necessary (negative attention) to force the dealership to settle with him, even thought the dealership has no legal obligation to do so.


In a simpler analogy - If I was selling my bike and someone gave me a deposit at a pre-arranged price.. that person must be dreaming if they think I will refund them the money if they flake. That was the intent of the deposit. It does not matter if I can sell the bike again with relatively no additional effort. The point is, you agreed to the price and put down a deposit. See it through. The dealer does no owe him anything and is doing him a small favour by letting him out of the contract at all! Try doing this on a B2B basis. You would have been sued before you could finish your first sentence. :lmao:
 
Dresden said:
I see where both you and DDean are coming from, however both of you fail to show any evidence to the "exploitation of the customer" claim.

If the dealership coerced OP into putting a deposit down and offering him an option to cancel and get his money back at any point, then I would whole heartedly agree with you both. This does not seem to be the case. As far as you and me know, there were no deposit-refund options given to the OP, implied or otherwise; bear in mind we have only heard OP's side of the story.

What we have here instead is exploitation of social media/this forum to cast a negative image of the dealership in order to get away with bypassing a legally binding arrangement; I.e. The OP is using means necessary (negative attention) to force the dealership to settle with him, even thought the dealership has no legal obligation to do so.


In a simpler analogy - If I was selling my bike and someone gave me a deposit at a pre-arranged price.. that person must be dreaming if they think I will refund them the money if they flake. That was the intent of the deposit. It does not matter if I can sell the bike again with relatively no additional effort. The point is, you agreed to the price and put down a deposit. See it through. The dealer does no owe him anything and is doing him a small favour by letting him out of the contract at all! Try doing this on a B2B basis. You would have been sued before you could finish your first sentence. :lmao:
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I guess that's the difference between you and me. If someone gave me a deposit like the OP did, then called me the next day and told me that he rushed into it and didn't think the purchase through i'd tell em to come and pick up their cash.

If i did anything to the bike that they requested or rented a truck to deliver it etc... id ask to be paid for my time, but i'd be reasonable.


I understand what you're saying however...
 
You can see both sides of the coin however kahuna is an "experienced" dealer. They can see the noobs coming a mile away. This is purely a dick move and them saying nothing while being a site supporter to clear things up just shows it. /story
 
Paul1000RR said:
I guess that's the difference between you and me. If someone gave me a deposit like the OP did, then called me the next day and told me that he rushed into it and didn't think the purchase through i'd tell em to come and pick up their cash.

If i did anything to the bike that they requested or rented a truck to deliver it etc... id ask to be paid for my time, but i'd be reasonable.


I understand what you're saying however...
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Respect your opinion, but we'll have to agree to disagree and leave it at that ;)



P.s, On a last note, anything I sell is at a fair price and full disclosure, business or otherwise. I expect the other party to have done their research and come ready to make a fair deal. If they skipped research-day, they will pay for it. Just like I don't expect to under-sell a bike and have the buyer come over another time and say "Habibi, looks like I gave you too little money.. here's some more. Yallah!". I WISH :D
 
Paul1000RR said:
I guess that's the difference between you and me. If someone gave me a deposit like the OP did, then called me the next day and told me that he rushed into it and didn't think the purchase through i'd tell em to come and pick up their cash. /QUOTE]

Learn to play hardball. Chicks dig it.
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Paul1000RR said:
I guess that's the difference between you and me. If someone gave me a deposit like the OP did, then called me the next day and told me that he rushed into it and didn't think the purchase through i'd tell em to come and pick up their cash.

If i did anything to the bike that they requested or rented a truck to deliver it etc... id ask to be paid for my time, but i'd be reasonable.


I understand what you're saying however...
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Now here is a gentleman with some morals not like most folks willing to trample each other for a bloody dollar. Dresden with having business dealings like that you would probably be wondering why your tires are slashed or worse in the next morning.
 
the bandit said:
Now here is a gentleman with some morals not like most folks willing to trample each other for a bloody dollar. Dresden with having business dealings like that you would probably be wondering why your tires are slashed or worse in the next morning.
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Without trying to sound like a d*ck; we don't live in a perfect society. We have contracts and laws in place to govern behaviour for a reason.
No sure what hippie pedestal you are on where everything is "ok man, no problem. Make love, not war!". I too wish people/businesses were that easy to deal with...

Now for some cold, hard, facts.

https://www.omvic.on.ca/portal/Consumers/Complaints/CancellinganAgreement.aspx

[h=2]Cancelling an Agreement[/h][h=6]MVDA[/h]In Ontario, there is no "cooling-off" period after you have signed a contract; however, there are certain conditions that can trigger a consumer's right to cancel a contract with a dealer.
General Regulation 50 of the MVDA allows a customer to cancel a contract within 90 days if the dealer and contract fails to disclose (or fails to disclose in a timely way):

  1. The previous use of the vehicle as a taxi or limo.
  2. The previous use of the vehicle as a police or emergency service vehicle.
  3. The previous use of the vehicle as a daily rental (unless the vehicle has subsequently been owned by someone other than a dealer).
  4. The make, model, and model year of the vehicle.
  5. That a vehicle has been branded (irreparable, salvage or rebuilt), and how last classified.
  6. The actual distance the vehicle has travelled. When that cannot be determined, a dealer must make the appropriate disclosure statement.
Note: A margin of error is allowed to the dealer where he or she determines the total distance driven, or, when he or she cannot determine the total distance driven, but can determine the distance driven as of some past date. The disclosure of distance made by the dealer is deemed to be accurate if it is within the LESSER of 5 per cent or 1,000 kilometres of the correct distance required to be disclosed.

[h=6]Template Letter[/h]You may send a letter to the dealership informing them of your intention to cancel the agreement if the dealer and contract failed to disclose any of the above-mentioned conditions.
This is an example of how your letter to the dealership should be worded. Send your letter by registered mail, courier, or hand-deliver it, and obtain a receipt.

[h=6]Consumer Protection Act[/h]The Consumer Protection Act (CPA) defines unfair practices as those involving false, misleading, deceptive or unconscionable representations.




Consumers may be entitled to request the cancellation of an agreement if they have been victims of unfair practices. Consumers have up to one year to request rescission (for misrepresentation) under the CPA.
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The antidote to following the letter of a contract appears to be slashed tires under cover of night. Very high moral ground with a flourish of class. Personal accounting gone way of Doddo bird. This thread just keeps on giving. Big fun.
 
JCHC91 said:
Hi all,

I recently decided to buy a brand new 2014 Kawasaki ER6N with ABS.

My age is 22 and my insurance was quoted at $289. With the bike, it's roughly $165 on top of that.

I would like to knock down the price of the bike if possible. The dealer I went to is taking off $300 only and the remaining price is about 10k. He says that it's not possible to really knock anymore down since it's on Kawasaki's special offer and "they're not supposed to give discounts" on the 4.9%.

That being said. Are there any tips you guys could give me to further the price? I'm going in on Monday to see if I can knock down the monthly payments some more.
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Threaten the seller.
You have to prove you are serious so bring a friend and break his knee caps in front of the seller. It will show if you can do that to a friend you will be a force to be reckoned with.
 
Paul1000RR said:
So everything in this world is black and white?

I ordered the wrong part once from a site sponsor. Didn't realize it until it arrived to my door. It was 100% my fault since i messed up the part #s.
I called the business and explained the situation to them. Guess what? They told me to ship it back and sent me the right part, didn't charge me shipping on the new part.

They didn't have to send me a new one, they could have simply said i ordered the wrong one and its up to me to sell it and they can ship me another one if i pay for a new one + shipping.

They could have done that, but its not good customer service to do so. And guess what, next time i needed some parts i went back to them and got it from them, even when i could have purchased the same thing a bit cheaper at another place.

That is the difference between businesses that succeed and ones that go down in flames.
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If someone signs a contract then yeah, follow through with it or there are consequences. Did you sign a contract for your little part you ordered or was it a full motorcycle that involved financing, people, time, etc...???

Stop being ridiculous.
 
Some of you in this thread REALLY need to watch this

[video=youtube;yp_l5ntikaU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp_l5ntikaU[/video]
 
This thread proves that there is no hope in this country.

Everything for a $$$$$$$$$$$$$. Nothing else counts...
 
Paul1000RR said:
This thread proves that there is no hope in this country.

Everything for a $$$$$$$$$$$$$. Nothing else counts...
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Is hope. Yes. Need government intervention. Cap deposits @ $5. Tax deductible.
 
Paul1000RR said:
This thread proves that there is no hope in this country.

Everything for a $$$$$$$$$$$$$. Nothing else counts...
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I'd have to agree with you that there is no hope in this country but not about $$$$$ instead that people take no responsibility for their actions and that's it's everybody else who is at fault when they make a mistake.

I don't care if your a millionaire or a poor student, if you make a deal then honour your obligation.

But then again, I think Kevin O'Leary is awesome so maybe my sense of right and wrong is all messed up.
 
You guys are probably the same people who'd sell a messed up bike to someone and then when the buyer returns you'd tell em "sorry, buyer beware" :lmao:


True colours come out when you have power over somebody, and most people will take advantage of others when they think they can get away with it, when they have the "law" on their side or if they can justify it....
 
Twotons said:
OP, I'm not a lawyer, but there was a earlier post stating that the dealership could keep the deposit to cover their loss on the deal and if no loss, then they are not entitled to the deposit. Reading the contract wording you posted earlier this seems correct. I don't recall seeing anything saying it is not refundable. I agree with other comments that the bike is yours but given that it's early in the season and if the dealership does not think they'll suffer a loss reselling it, I don't see why they would not settle this quickly by offering at least a store credit if not a full refund. Best of luck.
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They were in such a rush to sell him a bike that they didn't even put down the right bike on the bill of sale :lmao:
 
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