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The "Official" Watch Thread and all Things Horological

Chrono24.ca is one of the better options online, specially if you buy from a dealer on there with good ratings but very feew great deals cost wise. Ebay is the wild west, you REALLY need to buy the seller not the watch, I have not tried it but they are offering a verification service these days where it is shippied to their jeweller to be verified. Avoid anything that is too good to be true. FBMP and Kijiji have a tonne of counterfeits, I roll though and report as many as I see, whack-a-mole. Forget estate auctions these days, way too many counterfeit that they have no idea is counterfeit. In the end it is why people that even own counterfeits are a huge problem as it pollutes everything and people get ripped off.

Internationally, back in the day, when I was buying more (before kids) Japan was a great source as they are an affluent society that buy new watches but used items are culturally less desirable so worth less. Sadly I think everyone has caught on, I do not see the low prices these days. Avoid India, lots of frankenwatches, avoid the usual counterfeit sources.

Some other tips....
  • Have a watchmaker on-call to verify the watch and condition when you get it.
  • Some jewellers offer verification services these days (but not for free, again scumbag people with counterfeits screwing everyone else)
  • Mentally add a service cost to your price to have the above service it.
  • Ask the seller to send a picture with a specific time. Most pics will have hands at 10 and 2, a specific time will tell you the pics are likely the actual watch and not pics they grabbed from the net.
  • Anything looks fishy, move on to another one.
  • ALWAYs buy the seller not the watch! Too good to be true likely is.
In general pocket watches pose less risk than wrist watches counterfeit wise BUT as they are generally older so replacement parts may be hard (or impossible) to get and fully expect service costs as it will likely need it.

I avoided these headaches by purposefully buying realistic fakes for a while. Whenever anyone went on holiday to Asia I'd ask them to bring me back a fake brand watch. Went to a snooty festival once in TO with a fake TAG Heuer on and some sleazy salesman said "oh I see you're a TAG man eh?", looked puzzled when I told him it was just a $50 fake.
 
Any of your friends have an “in” for a black Rolex sub no date ?


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Nope, sorry dude. One guy picked up his Oyster Sky-Dweller and the other guy said no to Datejust 41. But, look around if you want MSRP, especially if you ever had dealings with them. They're pretty good and sourcing and updating you.
 
I avoided these headaches by purposefully buying realistic fakes for a while. Whenever anyone went on holiday to Asia I'd ask them to bring me back a fake brand watch. Went to a snooty festival once in TO with a fake TAG Heuer on and some sleazy salesman said "oh I see you're a TAG man eh?", looked puzzled when I told him it was just a $50 fake.
Someone noticed a TAG?
 
If it's owned by LVMH, the value in my eyes is close to zero. An empire built around flaunting wealth through vastly overpriced moderately decent products. Good for the owner but man are people dumb.
I have one cause it was the rage back in the Uni days. Asked dad to get me one for graduate and he got me a Swiss Army (bless his soul:). Figured, I'll buy it for myself. It's a great mid tier faux Lux brand and used to be the rage amongst the mid 20s professionals. I also kinda like them cause they support some of my fav drivers in Formula 1. But yea, it's a glorified brand for sure without any pedigree.
 
I have one cause it was the rage back in the Uni days. Asked dad to get me one for graduate and he got me a Swiss Army (bless his soul:). Figured, I'll buy it for myself. It's a great mid tier faux Lux brand and used to be the rage amongst the mid 20s professionals. I also kinda like them cause they support some of my fav drivers in Formula 1. But yea, it's a glorified brand for sure without any pedigree.
I wouldn't mind a Heuer. I understand the Tag university watch. I ended up with a seiko kinetic (which should work almost forever but didn't). Knowing what I know now, I wouldn't put money in a Tag.
 
I avoided these headaches by purposefully buying realistic fakes for a while. Whenever anyone went on holiday to Asia I'd ask them to bring me back a fake brand watch. Went to a snooty festival once in TO with a fake TAG Heuer on and some sleazy salesman said "oh I see you're a TAG man eh?", looked puzzled when I told him it was just a $50 fake.
I am also sad for you. Add up what you spent on BS and you would have something decent.

This is how things get so polluted, there is no excuse and they are not fake or replica, they are illegal counterfeits.
 
A tag Heuer monico isn’t awful pricing , a Heuer Monico is a bit spendy


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If the price was right, I would pull the trigger on a Heuer Monaco. The price is never right....
On that note, how are people storing their valuable watches? At a bank? In a safe? A good one or a fire safe? Locked or open? On your dresser/WIC? Not in a locked location but in an obscure location? Obviously not too many details should be shared.

I am keeping my eyes open for a proper safe for cheap (eg we want it out, you provide labour and a little money). Something like a TL-30 in the 800-1000 lb range. I picked up a few S&G code locks as I still haven't ruled out building one or more (or converting a dial to button for ease of access). Makes it easier to transport if I construct in place although then I would be welding inside my house.

When we were looking at houses, one had converted a bedroom into a WIC with a center island with a glass top and pull out watch/jewelry drawer. Over 100k in watches in the unlocked case not covered by cameras and the agent sat in the kitchen while we explored. I was shocked. When we were selling our house, I took everything stealable out as I knew agents would be useless wankers.

Another house for sale had pictures of the garage containing a gun safe. Wtf. Can you make it any easier to steal? Lots of room to put a vehicle in, close the door and take your time loading the safe in the vehicle. Open it later.

On a similar note, if anyone has a firesafe with valuable to them but useless to others stuff (like old pictures, documentation, etc), leave the key in it. It is both not that hard to get open and very easy to steal intact. Theives will take all of your precious possessions. If they open it and see a bunch of kids drawings, they may leave some of your precious to you stuff.

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My inlaws inherited a fire safe. The bugger thing is a 24" cube with no lips or handles and a plug door and sits on a stand. They throw a tablecloth over it and use it as a side table. Unless you bump into it, it disappears into the old people aesthetic. With two or more people, stealing it wouldn't be too hard. With one person, it really sucks to move (and it has nothing valuable in it).

A friend bought an old house with a beautiful lacquered safe on wheels in the attic. Heavy as hell. Thieves could probably tumble it down the stairs to get it out. It would destroy parts of the house in the process (maybe even the first wall it encountered at the bottom of the attic stairs as it may just go straight through to the driveway like a wrecking ball).
 
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I am also sad for you. Add up what you spent on BS and you would have something decent.

This is how things get so polluted, there is no excuse and they are not fake or replica, they are illegal counterfeits.

I just liked the look and not the price. They both told the same time, actually, the fakes were more accurate.
 
Not half as sad as the guys that had forked out real cash felt to see an indistinguishable wrist ornament.
I don't think your implication has much value here. I buy things for myself and not to be judged and valued by some random stranger. I know it's worth and what it means to me. And no, no one is buying these pieces to keep and tell time, at least not till the zombies show up or the electrical grid is gone for good.
 
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I don't think your implication has much value here. I buy things for myself and not to be judged and valued by some random stranger. I know it's worth and what it means to me. And no, no one is buying these pieces to keep and tell time, at least not till the zombies show up or the electrical grid is gone for good.

Ok, value is what we are discussing though. A watch had a potential maximum value for me beyond which I’d need my bumps feeling. Omega make a 1/4 million Seamasters per year, paying $5k for one is simply nuts in my mind, I’d rather go on a few tropical holidays. At the end of the day it’s jewelry, it’s job is to look pretty. That value is different for different people.

Edit: also with any thread about niche luxury items the same arguments crop up. So to clarify, different people assign different value to different items and that’s ok. I had issues spending $500 on my smartwatch but the little bastard will tell me how crap I’m playing golf, whether I’m having a stroke, and what the current temperature is in Abu Dhabi.
 
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I’m not sad for you for investing $20 bucks supporting an industry based on robbing designs from others and supporting patent infringement. I’m sad you went to a snooty festival and met a sleazy salesman and had determined he was sleazy because he noticed your watch . Lot of fakes may be hard to pick out in 15 second glance .
I think you could better pick your venues than snooty festivals if you have to invest leisure time .


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