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Looking at the omega and Rolex in Vegas, no way in hell would I spend that kinda money on a watch. Even if i could afford it
 
jc100 said:
I wouldn’t buy a fake Beretta as it needs to function smoothly and correctly under high heat and pressure conditions with lots of metal on metal moving parts. A watch needs to tell the time. Next false equivalency?
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Nope credibility, guns are also an expensive hobby, totally a hobby and not needed for most people, and we have no proof you bought a real one (other than your "word") but we do absolutely have proof here you buy counterfeit and fake stuff, back to credibility and integrity. "Hey I buy counterfeit stuff because real stuff is expensive and I think that is stupid, hey look at me in this other thread saying I bought this expensive thing, trust me it is real this time???" At best you are saying piss on this hobby because it is unneeded and expensive, but your expensive unneeded hobby is different?

BTW a mechanical watch is full of even more metal moving parts.
 
xfactor said:
I look at Luxury watches this way: I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir here, but f it.
Primarily, It's another way of storing value for long term growth while I get to enjoy something I like. Secondarily, it tells a certain story and projects a certain image (just like anything else we have and do).

As a value based investor, I can ask, what's the intrinsic value of a watch? Material + labour at the very bottom and marketing and sales as the additives. So, if that's the valuation calculus, then obviously we can't see any movement of any watch exceeding $5,000 unless we are talking about exotic minerals and such. So, why pay $65,000 for a rose gold Rolex Sky Dweller? hmmm.

Well, supply and demand my good man. Through, hook or crook they have established a brand recognition and it's not that you're wearing a watch that tells time, you're wearing a Rolex which have anointed the wearer with certain privileges and an image. So, yea, the valuation come from the adherence to that brand which you identify as something that is well crafted, has longevity, can be sold or pawned off in bad times, and rare, plus much more. These are the reasons to buy anything. So, if buying a Rolex gives me capital growth while I get to enjoy it, seems like it's too good to be true, but it's not.
Rolex watches rose in value more than stocks or gold over the past decade

I agree to a point with JC100 (Jesus?), yea we have all been swindled by business that's abhorrently elevated prices for just having a brand and riding the wave of some old time pedigree. If everyone decides that Rolex is useless and stop buying it, the value of Rolex is just as another Grand Seiko or worse. But, I think you know that's not going to happen, and even if Omega is producing .5 Million watches per year, so what? 8 Billion people, right? That still leaves the 80 Million 1%rs to fight over those half a million Omegas per year.

The price we pay is for the image or the stories that we weave. So to the point that counterfeiting is purely a technical problem and if the original piece and the counterfeit pieces is factory identical, are we being swindled by the original brand owner? To me, it's a no; cause I'm not just paying for the quality of the movement and the rarity and the polish of the metal. I'm paying for much more, I'm paying for something that defines me and add to that the power and the story of a brand and it's goodwill value.

Even a counterfeit that's 100% identical is still a counterfeit cause it's a faking something that it's not, and that's a story that I don't want to tell.
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What story are you telling though? The one crafted by the watch companies to sell their product?

Here’s the Bulova Lunar Pilot Bulova Men's Lunar Pilot | Bulova it went to the moon, $500 msrp but less elsewhere (I do actually follow watch threads etc as I like the designs, no interest as an investment device as I’m not that sure it’s worth it). That’s the cap for a watch for me, any more and I’m looking at functional items that give me more pleasure like camera lenses etc. I wouldn’t get the Bulova as it’s just ugly to me though, same as a Rolex. The only watch I’ve wanted as jewelry recently is a Panerai as it looks cool but again, not worth the outlay for the real thing so I’m good with an accurate copy/fake or homage.
backmarkerducati said:
Nope credibility, guns are also an expensive hobby, totally a hobby and not needed for most people, and we have no proof you bought a real one (other than your "word") but we do absolutely have proof here you buy counterfeit and fake stuff, back to credibility and integrity. "Hey I buy counterfeit stuff because real stuff is expensive and I think that is stupid, hey look at me in this other thread saying I bought this expensive thing, trust me it is real this time???" At best you are saying piss on this hobby because it is unneeded and expensive, but your expensive unneeded hobby is different?

BTW a mechanical watch is full of even more metal moving parts.
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lol. I don’t give two hoots if you think my Beretta is a fake or even if others think so, and that folks, is the big difference here. You absolutely do seem to get your panties in a bunch if your brand seems tarnished. That’s quite insightful.

Once again.. get a grip, it’s wrist candy.
 
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@jc100 , if you like the look of a Panerai , take a gander at Panzera , it’s an Australian company making a very similar case and face , they use Japanese automatic movements , which feel a bit agricultural once you’ve handled better , but they tell time , and the Aus dollar sucks so about $250 all in .


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mimico_polak said:
Was looking at used G Shocks and now you all got me nervous about fakes.
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The good thing about something like a G-shock, which are great watches (but there are counterfeits of BTW, but usually only rare or hard to get models, not enough margin in the day to day items) is at the price point you can just head to a dealer and forget the secondary or used market.

The sad part is, if you don't like it and want to sell it the counterfeit people like some here hurt the resale value because there is always the "question".
 
Thanks @backmarkerducati

I like something like this...but when all the photos are stock photos, and no price is even mentioned...a few red flags for me...

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Mind you, for $130 brand new...not even worth going to a used watch.

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ToSlow said:
Looking at the omega and Rolex in Vegas, no way in hell would I spend that kinda money on a watch. Even if i could afford it
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The prices have always been high but they have increased a lot in recent years. There is the typical COVID supply thing like everything else. They have also moved further upscale to combat smart watches (learning from the quartz crisis moving up and not down).

There are lots of alternatives though. Like the Submariner, check out Orient and Seiko. Both have automatic watches with a very similar look for reasonable prices. Daytona, Seiko again has one that is similar, and very good quality.

If you have a specific model you like in the higher end lines, post it up and we can give you some alternatives.
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I should add, buying and selling used I have never lost money on either brand--some double and tripple on the upside. But again, counterfeiters at all levels hurt the hobby specially here.
 
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mimico_polak said:
Thanks @backmarkerducati

I like something like this...but when all the photos are stock photos, and no price is even mentioned...a few red flags for me...

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Mind you, for $130 brand new...not even worth going to a used watch.

gshock.ca

G-SHOCK GA2100-4A - Men's Watch

GA2100-4A OVERVIEW Ever since the first DW-5000C went on sale back in 1983, G-SHOCK has continued to push the limits of timekeeping toughness while creating new and original designs. These new models embody these efforts in an attractively thin configuration. These new models inherit the octagon...
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EDIT: The CASIO-OAKs are nice too.
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The Bay has pretty regular sales on G Shocks that beat most prices elsewhere. Have a look.
 
jc100 said:
What story are you telling though? The one crafted by the watch companies to sell their product?

Here’s the Bulova Lunar Pilot Bulova Men's Lunar Pilot | Bulova it went to the moon, $500 msrp but less elsewhere (I do actually follow watch threads etc as I like the designs, no interest as an investment device as I’m not that sure it’s worth it). That’s the cap for a watch for me, any more and I’m looking at functional items that give me more pleasure like camera lenses etc. I wouldn’t get the Bulova as it’s just ugly to me though, same as a Rolex. The only watch I’ve wanted as jewelry recently is a Panerai as it looks cool but again, not worth the outlay for the real thing so I’m good with an accurate copy/fake or homage.


lol. I don’t give two hoots if you think my Beretta is a fake or even if others think so, and that folks, is the big difference here. You absolutely do seem to get your panties in a bunch if your brand seems tarnished. That’s quite insightful.

Once again.. get a grip, it’s wrist candy.
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For what you have wasted on counterfeits you likely could have just bought the Lunar Pilot which is a great watch and a great value IMO. This is what makes many here sad for you.

Other than that, again. It seems you are upset for being called out buying illegal counterfeit goods and not getting a pat on the back for your CSB, followed by the list of usual lame excuses for buying counterfeits. I am pointing out illegal behaviour and what it does to personal credibility... and this hobby in general (plus many others).

I don't have a specific brand, but yes someone coming here pissing on this "expensive hobby" while claiming to be spending "Big Money, just buy once" in another is a total dichotomy. If its cool and I like it I buy it, a low price is not a factor. You should see my DMs BTW, lol. And of course this hobby can be both expensive and inexpensive, just comes down to what one collects. That Lunar Pilot could be a just buy once....

If you like the look and feel of the Panerai there are lots of options instead of a counterfeit, we can point you in the right direction and give you some great options, I encourage it.

In the meantime I encourage you to put it to bed by taking @GreyGhost suggestion, post up a video or pic of you blowing away your counterfeits with the Baretta, if its real of course :).
 
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xfactor said:
I look at Luxury watches this way: I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir here, but f it.
Primarily, It's another way of storing value for long term growth while I get to enjoy something I like. Secondarily, it tells a certain story and projects a certain image (just like anything else we have and do).

As a value based investor, I can ask, what's the intrinsic value of a watch? Material + labour at the very bottom and marketing and sales as the additives. So, if that's the valuation calculus, then obviously we can't see any movement of any watch exceeding $5,000 unless we are talking about exotic minerals and such. So, why pay $65,000 for a rose gold Rolex Sky Dweller? hmmm.

Well, supply and demand my good man. Through, hook or crook they have established a brand recognition and it's not that you're wearing a watch that tells time, you're wearing a Rolex which have anointed the wearer with certain privileges and an image. So, yea, the valuation come from the adherence to that brand which you identify as something that is well crafted, has longevity, can be sold or pawned off in bad times, and rare, plus much more. These are the reasons to buy anything. So, if buying a Rolex gives me capital growth while I get to enjoy it, seems like it's too good to be true, but it's not.
Rolex watches rose in value more than stocks or gold over the past decade

Even a counterfeit that's 100% identical is still a counterfeit cause it's a faking something that it's not, and that's a story that I don't want to tell.
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Agree and disagree with some points. I buy because I like it, the complexity, details and mechanical beauty + finishing appeals to me. I do not care about the story or what it shows to others. Sure I will match watches to my outfit and event. Yes, I will enjoy compliments. But at the end of the day, I wear my watches so that I can enjoy them.

Value of most popular watches are inflated versus their actual cost. However, most high end watches are hand finished and assembled. It is not unheard of for a single watch to take one master a few months to a year to complete. To get to this level, they spend their lives learning. $5000 for a Rolex movement, you betcha. A Lange? it doesn't even cover the labour cost of even the case.
If I was rich, I'd go for more independent watch makers but the risk of the value being lost and servicing scares me.
 
backmarkerducati said:
Totally baller today, late father's Timex Automatic... it has taken a beating and it keeps on ticking.

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Timex is back baby, this their re-issue is impossible to buy (for $300 bucks watch!) and resold for much more like crazy!

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Sochi said:
Timex is back baby, this their re-realize is impossible to buy (for $300 bucks watch!) and resold for much more like crazy!
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My understanding is for a while back in the 50s or 60s they made 1/3 of all watches produced globally!

The GMT is also a great piece IMO when you can get it, but it could be a gateway drug.
 
Sochi said:
Timex is back baby, this their re-realize is impossible to buy (for $300 bucks watch!) and resold for much more like crazy!

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I'd take that over a fake pepsi in a heartbeat. Similar style but not pretending to be something it isn't. Quartz watches interest me very little though. Good to see timex bringing out more interesting watches.
 
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