The "Official" Watch Thread and all Things Horological

[Lightcycle]

Here is one of those "Retro" Casio which are very very popular right now (this version has a larger screen for my older eyes) - cost me whopping $28CAD on Black Friday sale. Does everything what you need from the watch and lasts 10years on battery - disposable, although I give it away everytime I travel abroad, helps to keep collection rotation

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Doesn't have a calculator.

Would not buy.

Here's the one you shoulda got!

 

[GreyGhost]

There used to be a time when the fakes were obvious...not so anymore. That said, I don't buy or wear it, cause what's the point? Rather rock my Casio F91 all day and all night.

Wow. Other than fleecing an unsuspecting buyer (or flaunting wealth you don't have), I don't see many reasons to buy that fake. It's still quite a bit of money. Real Rolex normally goes up in value, that fake will be a bugger to sell if you are honest about what it is.

 

[crankcall]

I’ll do some real due diligence on a watch I’m looking at if it’s private . Most guys selling at a “serious” level have no issue meeting at an authorized dealer for confirmation. Most certified dealers will look at a watch for a nominal inconvenience fee since they all hate fakes as much as we do . If your at a show , most people will know other people that can vouch.
Some of the fakes are SO good you’ll want a certified dealer , Fred the watch fixer guy can be fooled.
Don’t buy a Rolex Daytona off face book market place .




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[GreyGhost]

Doesn't have a calculator.

Would not buy.

Here's the one you shoulda got!

Does it come with a tiny pull-out stylus? How am I supposed to press buttons accurately when the entire keypad is the size of my thumb?

 

[Lightcycle]

Does it come with a tiny pull-out stylus? How am I supposed to press buttons accurately when the entire keypad is the size of my thumb?

Come on, now. Let's be realistic.

Just like all of the other watches on this thread, this one is more for show than go.

 

[GreyGhost]

I’ll do some real due diligence on a watch I’m looking at if it’s private . Most guys selling at a “serious” level have no issue meeting at an authorized dealer for confirmation. Most certified dealers will look at a watch for a nominal inconvenience fee since they all hate fakes as much as we do . If your at a show , most people will know other people that can vouch.
Some of the fakes are SO good you’ll want a certified dealer , Fred the watch fixer guy can be fooled.
Don’t buy a Rolex Daytona off face book market place .




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If they fixed that regulator issue on the fake, a dealer would have trouble in many cases. Rolex should (but afaik doesn't) have a directory of SN vs style and owner that is kept up to date. Legitimate owners would have no problem participating as it makes authentication and insurance claims easier. Sure, you may get the occasional dirtbag that sells fakes using their real SN but that should quickly collapse when new owners try to transfer the registration. Tracking the owners and history is the best way to keep the market clean. If you realize that a bunch of watches are showing up with frankenstein parts and all of those were owned by Crankcall, you could work to stop that.

 

[GreyGhost]

Come on, now. Let's be realistic.

Just like all of the other watches on this thread, this one is more for show than go.

Well it's big enough, that would be a cool feature to have (and a recurring source of revenue as people continually lose the pin).

 

[xfactor]

Does it come with a tiny pull-out stylus? How am I supposed to press buttons accurately when the entire keypad is the size of my thumb?

Why do you think that Razor Ramon always carried a toothpick?

 

[mimico_polak]

Does it come with a tiny pull-out stylus? How am I supposed to press buttons accurately when the entire keypad is the size of my thumb?

 

[backmarkerducati]

There used to be a time when the fakes were obvious...not so anymore. That said, I don't buy or wear it, cause what's the point? Rather rock my Casio F91 all day and all night.

There are different levels of counterfeits, still most are obvious to the naked eye in person. Most are copied from ads so the colour is wrong, text is poor, wrong beat rate on the movement, etc. Poorly plated gold where it should be solid. On it goes.

It is actually not as hard as she makes it out for these but it is near impossible with the naked eye, with a loop things pop out fast. Modern Rolex will have Rolex engraved over and over inside the bezel plus the SN, Rolex laser engraves it, counterfeits (they are not fake or replica, they are counterfeit) will have this mechanically engraved. The print on the dial will usually be coarser on a counterfeit, same in her video. This is not one, but on a Submariner the gap between the bezel and the body is a tell tale sign. For the average seller the scum bags that buy, wear and sell them even have counterfeits now with full boxes and papers. Someone can buy a pretty nice legit watch for what these sell for...

It is a real greasy scum bag thing, and 100% reflects on the people who particpate in any way. Why, well it is obvious on the surface and of course blatantly illegal. Going deeper people pass away and the family sells (or tries to) their counterfeit watch and either end up ripping someone off or finding out that person they loved was a lier or a rube. It also causes issues in the grey market, same problems. There were even problems at Costco when they were selling grey market watches, scammers buy it, swap out the watch with a counterfeit and then return it (kid that takes the return has no idea), then it gets sold to someone that has no idea! In the end it hurts many people as it diminishes values, it is scamming, full stop.

Rolex is doing certified pre-owned now, but this comes at a premium. Ebay has a service where the watch can be shipped to them (their agent) and they verify it. I think we will see some form of NFT or like used in the future for authentication.

In the hobby and industry, there is a saying buy the seller not the watch. Also too good to be true....it is not true.

 

[hdsomeday]

My daily from 45 years ago. Found it a drawer a few weeks ago and put a new battery in it. Still runs great !
(not my actual watch but looks almost the same, scratches and all)

 

[Mad Mike]

There are different levels of counterfeits, still most are obvious to the naked eye in person. Most are copied from ads so the colour is wrong, text is poor, wrong beat rate on the movement, etc. Poorly plated gold where it should be solid. On it goes.

It is actually not as hard as she makes it out for these but it is near impossible with the naked eye, with a loop things pop out fast. Modern Rolex will have Rolex engraved over and over inside the bezel plus the SN, Rolex laser engraves it, counterfeits (they are not fake or replica, they are counterfeit) will have this mechanically engraved. The print on the dial will usually be coarser on a counterfeit, same in her video. This is not one, but on a Submariner the gap between the bezel and the body is a tell tale sign. For the average seller the scum bags that buy, wear and sell them even have counterfeits now with full boxes and papers. Someone can buy a pretty nice legit watch for what these sell for...

It is a real greasy scum bag thing, and 100% reflects on the people who particpate in any way. Why, well it is obvious on the surface and of course blatantly illegal. Going deeper people pass away and the family sells (or tries to) their counterfeit watch and either end up ripping someone off or finding out that person they loved was a lier or a rube. It also causes issues in the grey market, same problems. There were even problems at Costco when they were selling grey market watches, scammers buy it, swap out the watch with a counterfeit and then return it (kid that takes the return has no idea), then it gets sold to someone that has no idea! In the end it hurts many people as it diminishes values, it is scamming, full stop.

Rolex is doing certified pre-owned now, but this comes at a premium. Ebay has a service where the watch can be shipped to them (their agent) and they verify it. I think we will see some form of NFT or like used in the future for authentication.

In the hobby and industry, there is a saying buy the seller not the watch. Also too good to be true....it is not true.

At the end of the day, aren't expensive watches just vanity pieces? How are they different than a 5-carat pendant, Lakeshore Road address, or a Vstrom?

I'm not a fan of counterfeiters, mu I don't begrudge anyone who buys a look-alike so they can pretend to be a baller.

 

[Baggsy]

Omega needs a cleaning, Tissot and Suunto need batteries, Waltham needs a mainspring. $$$

 

[AllistonGT]

At the end of the day, aren't expensive watches just vanity pieces? How are they different than a 5-carat pendant, Lakeshore Road address, or a Vstrom?

I'm not a fan of counterfeiters, mu I don't begrudge anyone who buys a look-alike so they can pretend to be a baller.

I love the fact that mechanical watches are one of the few things that are still analog. If I don't wind it or wear it, it stops running. Also, they can be serviced over and over again, making them last for many, many decades. Unlike almost everything else around us.

I don't own a Rolex. Everyone knows that brand. 99% of people would'nt know if my panerai was a $100 watch or a $20000 watch. Most people don't even notice watches or care about them. Thats perfect for me.

IMHO anyone who would buy a watch, outside of Rolex, to show off has made a poor choice. No one notices. Unless it's another watch enthusiast.
Like me.

 

[killvino]

I don't own a Rolex. Everyone knows that brand. 99% of people would'nt know if my panerai was a $100 watch or a $20000 watch. Most people don't even notice watches or care about them. Thats perfect for me.

IMHO anyone who would buy a watch, outside of Rolex, to show off has made a poor choice. No one notices. Unless it's another watch enthusiast.
Like me.

nananana-Batman. got lucky this year and scored this new at MSRP from a dealer because of contacts.

couldn't be more to the point. if I didn't get offered the amazing deal, Rolex would not be under my couch. I can't wear it to work due to the status and there's tons of better (imo) watches for the money.

 

[Mikedezo44]

Very Lucky^^

Would love to get an AP at some point. Like others have said, %99 of people would have no clue you have a 30-50k watch on your wrist.

Also find it funny when you see them on marketplace and it is an 18 year old kid with profile photos with a $2000 car yet selling a 25k Rolex.

The 2 I’ll be getting down the road (hopefully not anytime soon)

 

[mimico_polak]

My latest addition to the collection.

 

[GreyGhost]

My latest addition to the collection.

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I thought about the kids garmin watches (more so I could track them when out and about) but the kids watches don't have GPS. Useless.

 

[AllistonGT]

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nananana-Batman. got lucky this year and scored this new at MSRP from a dealer because of contacts.

couldn't be more to the point. if I didn't get offered the amazing deal, Rolex would not be under my couch. I can't wear it to work due to the status and there's tons of better (imo) watches for the money.

Lovely. Congratulations.

 

[Baggsy]

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nananana-Batman. got lucky this year and scored this new at MSRP from a dealer because of contacts.

couldn't be more to the point. if I didn't get offered the amazing deal, Rolex would not be under my couch. I can't wear it to work due to the status and there's tons of better (imo) watches for the money.

I had one that looked like that years ago. Bought it right at King & Yonge for $10. Wore it to work for a couple of years until it crapped out.

Making due with the Gruen when I wear one, until the others get fixed. It needs a new crystal and a cleaning by the looks of it.

My sweat eats through the leather bands, so I managed to score some rare skinny metal ones.