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So who does the "Canadian Motorcycle Association" represent?

Road racers Nope
Motocrossers Nope
Street riders Nope
Do they do Hare Scrambles and enduros anymore? ... but Nope


According to their website they represent trials riders, "Alternative energy Competition" and the FIM (which has ZERO presence in Canada)
So it looks to me that the CMA, by their own website, represent >1% of Canadian motorcyclists.
Good deal.
 
bitzz said:
So who does the "Canadian Motorcycle Association" represent?

Road racers Nope
Motocrossers Nope
Street riders Nope
Do they do Hare Scrambles and enduros anymore? ... but Nope


According to their website they represent trials riders, "Alternative energy Competition" and the FIM (which has ZERO presence in Canada)
So it looks to me that the CMA, by their own website, represent >1% of Canadian motorcyclists.
Good deal.
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Does that lessen the workload?
 
It's not like CMA doesn't know how.
When I started out I raced CMA sanctioned MX races at Centenial and Big Core, CMA sanctioned harescrambles at "that place in Barrie, I don't remember what it was called" and CMA sanctioned road races at Mosport and Westwood and Gimli.
You could race AMA events. It was great.
 
bitzz said:
It's not like CMA doesn't know how.
When I started out I raced CMA sanctioned MX races at Centenial and Big Core, CMA sanctioned harescrambles at "that place in Barrie, I don't remember what it was called" and CMA sanctioned road races at Mosport and Westwood and Gimli.
You could race AMA events. It was great.
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And how many years ago was that ? Too many.
 
xrljoel said:
Spare me.

And around the circle we go, " It's riders that build events." Well, as long as the organizers are a recognized friend of the CMA leadership and you don't actually expect anything else from them than to send you the insurance documents.

For way too many years your attitude has been prevalent and has been THE problem for motorcycle racing in Canada. NOBODY looks up from the trials section they're laying out for the enjoyment of friends and family, the harescrambles course, their section of an enduro or the ice racing oval and say, "Hey, I why doesn't the CMA do more across all the disciplines and what have they ACTUALLY done for us here today?"

You talk of support from a local sponsor; great, a handful of dusty accessories that he couldn't sell anyways as prizes, MAYBE some coffee and donuts from the Tim's in town, and if you're lucky the local volunteer fire department may come out to sell hotdogs and pop. Been there done that, but they ran out of t-shirts because the organizing an event takes a ton of work just to get to the point of dropping the flag, never mind what needs to or could happen afterwards.

But by all means - keep diligently paying your insurance fees so a handful of guys can ride their own event, don't expect anything more from them (because they can't be bothered) and make sure they know you will support them without question.
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Spare me! You guys don't have a clue how it works because you have never in your entire life organized a sanctioned motorcycle event and I can tell that by what you are writing.
"For way too many years your attitude has been prevalent and has been THE problem for motorcycle racing in Canada. NOBODY looks up from the trials section they're laying out for the enjoyment of friends and family,"
WTF are you even on about here, because what you wrote there is just plain stupid.

Riders are the ones that build the events.

CMA is not a proprietorship corporation and nothing will magically change when somebody passes.
 
bitzz said:
So who does the "Canadian Motorcycle Association" represent?

Road racers Nope
Motocrossers Nope
Street riders Nope
Do they do Hare Scrambles and enduros anymore? ... but Nope


According to their website they represent trials riders, "Alternative energy Competition" and the FIM (which has ZERO presence in Canada)
So it looks to me that the CMA, by their own website, represent >1% of Canadian motorcyclists.
Good deal.
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Street riders! What do you want a not for profit motorcycle racing association to do for street bike riders?

"Do they do Hare Scrambles and enduros anymore" Who is they? CMA
People! CMA does not build motorcycle races any more then FIM does.
 
bitzz said:
It's not like CMA doesn't know how.
When I started out I raced CMA sanctioned MX races at Centenial and Big Core, CMA sanctioned harescrambles at "that place in Barrie, I don't remember what it was called" and CMA sanctioned road races at Mosport and Westwood and Gimli.
You could race AMA events. It was great.
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So when and why did you stop buying an annual CMA competition license?
You participated in those events, but you obviously had nothing to do with making them happen.
 
Trials said:
So when and why did you stop buying an annual CMA competition license?
You participated in those events, but you obviously had nothing to do with making them happen.
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I stopped buying a CMA competition licence when there were NO SANCTIONED EVENTS to participate in !
Don't preach to me about organizing - I worked for RACE and CSBK for many years.
Road racers, flat trackers, MXers and road riders were and still are getting nothing for their money.
The Bastedo family has been the road block for decades, just because event organizers were unwilling to grease them sufficiently.
The CMA is supposed to be a not-for-profit, member elected organization - show me the books for the last 35 years ?
 
Not my books to show an not preaching to anyone, just saying how it really is.
I do this **** on a daily basis and you guys just **** about it.

If you did build sanctioned events and had experience you would know you don't go to a donut shop for event sponsors, you go to Pats Canada or Honda or a tire manufacturer. In the olden days it would have been a cigarette or liquor company ffs.

"I stopped buying a CMA competition licence when there were NO SANCTIONED EVENTS to participate in !" You never really understood how those events came to be, you just wanted to participate.
 
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To be fair - I don't know what the MCC and CSBKs ultimate goals are behind this petition to the FIM except to allow international licencing for racers and international events to be promoted and staged in Canada. But neither of those are bad things. There's likely a lot more to the story.
 
Trials said:
Not my books to show an not preaching to anyone, just saying how it really is.
I do this **** on a daily basis and you guys just **** about it.

If you build did sanctioned events and had experience you would know you don't go to a donut shop for event sponsors, you go to Pats Canada or Honda or a tire manufacturer. In the olden days it would have been a cigarette or liquor company ffs.

"I stopped buying a CMA competition licence when there were NO SANCTIONED EVENTS to participate in !" You never really understood how those events came to be, you just wanted to participate.
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What are you talking about ? Staging a regional trials event for you and 25 of your buddies is a lot different from a national or international event.
Sponsorship hinges on expected returns - TV coverage, audience in attendance and participation levels to justify the expense.
I have the experience, as do a lot of other folks on this forum - please don't preach about things you don't understand.
 
If CMA was approached by FIM to muster some support for something,
(just say for instance a Graham Jarvis wants to do a training school in Ontario - 2022)<- Totally fictitious but not unrealistic scenario

Who do you think CMA is going to call to make that happen?
 
Trials said:
You never really understood how those events came to be, you just wanted to participate.
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... and how do you come to that conclusion? That seems awfully presumptuous of you.


The CMA is a sanctioning body that refuses to sanction events.
WHY IS THAT MR. TRIALS??
 
Trials said:
If CMA was approached by FIM to muster some support for something,
(just say for instance a Graham Jarvis wants to do a training school in Ontario - 2022)<- Totally fictitious but not unrealistic scenario

Who do you think CMA is going to call to make that happen?
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That's funny. Don't be holding your breath.
 
Trials said:
Spare me! You guys don't have a clue how it works because you have never in your entire life organized a sanctioned motorcycle event and I can tell that by what you are writing.
"For way too many years your attitude has been prevalent and has been THE problem for motorcycle racing in Canada. NOBODY looks up from the trials section they're laying out for the enjoyment of friends and family,"
WTF are you even on about here, because what you wrote there is just plain stupid.

Riders are the ones that build the events.

CMA is not a proprietorship corporation and nothing will magically change when somebody passes.
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"never in your entire life organized a sanctioned motorcycle event" Not true. Involved with organizing numerous CMA SANCTIONED events.

Was not a happy customer, it's a poor excuse for a governing body.

But that's OK. As long as they provide you with your insurance for your local friends & family events all is good, to hell with everybody else.
 
TK4 said:
To be fair - I don't know what the MCC and CSBKs ultimate goals are behind this petition to the FIM except to allow international licencing for racers and international events to be promoted and staged in Canada. But neither of those are bad things. There's likely a lot more to the story.
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I'd say those are BIG things.

Trials, if you think the CMA is so great, why don't you go talk to Colin Fraser and find out what the problem is (or you could just listen to that podcast ...) and then go have a chat with Bastedo and get them to sort out their differences. Good luck.

The MCC does everything the CMA should be doing except doesn't have international representation. The CMA has the international representation, but doesn't do anything, except perhaps maybe if it involves trials. They sure don't do anything else.
 
things i've learned from this thread -
Trials has his head DEEP in the sand. - please listen to the podcasts.
All of the things I've heard about the CMA while riding motocross over the last 20 years has been confirmed just as bad in all other motorcycle disciplines.
Nothing will change anytime soon.
 
I really believe that Maryllin and her family run the cma out of the spare bedroom of her apartment. Everything is neatly stored in a few shoe boxes. Please prove me wrong.
 
All this went down just last week. I will wait with baited breath for a written response from the CMA.
 
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