The CMA and the FIM

[TK4]

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Yep. That's what would happen if you start a separate organization, race series or whatever that is not FIM sanctioned through CMA, and then lobby to put CMA out of the FIM picture.

This has been going on for 40 YEARS !
Don't you think the other organizations would work with the CMA if they could ?
The MCC has done more for motorcyclists over these many decades in all facets, plus it is backed by the MMIC, the manufacturers.

 

[bitzz]

The CMA does nothing discernible for the roadracing community in Canada. Zip, zero, zilch. Insurance, nope. Advocacy, nope. Promoting our interests, nope. Rulebook and licensing commonality or mutual recognition with the rest of the world, nope. Nothing. But for those who wish to compete elsewhere in the world, your RACE, SOAR, or CSBK license means nothing, because none of them, not even our national roadracing organisation, are connected with the FIM via the CMA. You have to spend more money and time and go through a bunch more gyrations, some of which involve knowing the right people, in order to do it.

Yes it does.
The CMA has always actively stifled road racing in Canada.
Canada punches well above it's weight class in road racing and the ONLY path to a world championship is to go somewhere else.
Try to get CMA approval to race the Manx or IOM, where as a Canadian you NEED CMA to approve your license... AIN"T GONNA HAPPEN. I tried for 8 years and I got my CMA number in 1974. The only way left was to travel to Britain and join a British bike club for a season and MAYBE get approved there.

FIM road racing won't be in Canada till Bastedos is gone.
Any one have a reason WHY?

 

[Trials]

This has been going on for 40 YEARS !
Don't you think the other organizations would work with the CMA if they could ?
The MCC has done more for motorcyclists over these many decades in all facets, plus it is backed by the MMIC, the manufacturers.

Apparently they did not work with the CMA, what did they do?

 

[Wingboy]

The "Flying Midgets" could do a better job.

Not sure if anyone knows who they are. Lol.

 

[Trials]

"Try to get CMA approval to race the Manx or IOM, where as a Canadian you NEED CMA to approve your license... AIN"T GONNA HAPPEN. I tried for 8 years and I got my CMA number in 1974. The only way left was to travel to Britain and join a British bike club for a season and MAYBE get approved there."

Ok so you didn't start out by saying you have a CMA competition license for x years,
did not at any time participate in Canadian FIM sanctioned road racing series that produced results,
and you want the Canadian authority for FIM to give you a racing number to race IOM in what class?

 

[blackcamaro]

The "Flying Midgets" could do a better job.

Not sure if anyone knows who they are. Lol.

I believe that was started and then turned into steel city riders.

Bob is still at every race and more or less lives at the track doing maintenance. Loves the sport.

 

[Brian P]

Apparently they did not work with the CMA, what did they do?

For roadracing - If anyone in this country would be in a position to work "with" the CMA in order to co-ordinate our roadracing with the FIM, it's Colin Fraser, who has operated our national series, Canadian Superbike, for decades. But, it has not happened. Canadian racers who want to go overseas have to plead their case individually with M B because their well-earned Canadian national roadracing license isn't recognised by the FIM because the CMA won't work with CSBK. If she knows who you are, maybe she'll sign off. If she doesn't feel like doing it, oh well.

I am not privy to knowing why the CMA won't work with CSBK. But they never have, have never shown any sign of being interested, and basically just act as an obstacle in the way of any Canadian racer who wants to do an international event.

Maybe it's because someone at the CMA might have to lift a finger once in a while, and they don't seem like they want to do anything. Dunno.

All Canadian roadracing sanctioning bodies are essentially "renegade" series. There's no other way to do it, because the CMA won't lift a finger.

 

[Wingboy]

I believe that was started and then turned into steel city riders.

Bob is still at every race and more or less lives at the track doing maintenance. Loves the sport.

Have you seen Butch lately? I haven't seen her in about 5 years.

 

[Trials]

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All Canadian roadracing sanctioning bodies are essentially "renegade" series. There's no other way to do it, because the CMA won't lift a finger.

Yep. So start a club, plan a race series, it will cost you maybe ~400 bucks up front for that and CMA will send you a package to do that if you call them, it's not rocket science, get the CMA club and series sanction first. Road racing is just another check box on my CMA competition license that I never bothered to check off, because you guys are renegade racing I like that, it's a good name to use for your club.
Each time you have an event you, send about 200$, ask for an event package and they send you another whack of paperwork to deal with.

Oh and by the way, you do all of this for free because you want to support and participate in the sport.

 

[Brian P]

"Try to get CMA approval to race the Manx or IOM, where as a Canadian you NEED CMA to approve your license... AIN"T GONNA HAPPEN. I tried for 8 years and I got my CMA number in 1974. The only way left was to travel to Britain and join a British bike club for a season and MAYBE get approved there."

Ok so you didn't start out by saying you have a CMA competition license for x years,
did not at any time participate in Canadian FIM sanctioned road racing series that produced results,
and you want the Canadian authority for FIM to give you a racing number to race IOM in what class?

You're not making sense here. There IS NO Canadian FIM sanctioned road racing series.

Anyone can buy a "membership" in the CMA. That's not the same as buying a roadracing license (VRRA, SOAR, RACE, CSBK, etc) ... in fact, it's meaningless in both directions. The CMA membership doesn't do you any good with those organisations, and being licensed in those organisations doesn't do you any good with the CMA. From the roadracing perspective - There's no point.

I'm just looking at their website now ... one of the pages that scrolls by is a congratulations page for Alex Dumas who participates internationally roadracing series that are sanctioned by the FIM (i.e. everywhere except Canada). But there should be NO thank-you to the CMA for getting Alex Dumas going in the first place. In fact ... his career passed through Mexico's national series, despite him being from Quebec. Thanks for screwing us over, CMA.

 

[Brian P]

Yep. So start a club, plan a race series, it will cost you maybe ~400 bucks up front for that and CMA will send you a package to do that if you call them, it's not rocket science, get the CMA club and series sanction first. Road racing is just another check box on my CMA competition license that I never bothered to check off, because you guys are renegade racing I like that, it's a good name to use for your club.
Each time you have an event you, send about 200$, ask for an event package and they send you another whack of paperwork to deal with.

Oh and by the way, you do all of this for free because you want to support and participate in the sport.

You think Colin Fraser (CSBK) doesn't know that?

You think he doesn't know who the CMA is?

You think he doesn't understand what the benefit of CSBK being affiliated with the FIM would be? Really?

And it hasn't happened. WHY?

 

[Wingboy]

Change will happen when all the Bastedos have inducted themselves into the Hall of Fame and are ready for the big dirt nap.

 

[Wingboy]

Yep. So start a club, plan a race series, it will cost you maybe ~400 bucks up front for that and CMA will send you a package to do that if you call them, it's not rocket science, get the CMA club and series sanction first. Road racing is just another check box on my CMA competition license that I never bothered to check off, because you guys are renegade racing I like that, it's a good name to use for your club.
Each time you have an event you, send about 200$, ask for an event package and they send you another whack of paperwork to deal with.

Oh and by the way, you do all of this for free because you want to support and participate in the sport.

Did you listen to the podcast?

 

[blackcamaro]

Have you seen Butch lately? I haven't seen her in about 5 years.

No I haven’t. I’ve been a member for 5-6 years and I don’t believe Butch goes to the races. She posts on the FB group from time to time when old pictures or memorabilia get shared though.

I only know Bob, his son and grandson. None well but good enough to have a quick chat at the track. Except Bob isn’t all that chatty lol. Good people.

 

[Trials]

Did you listen to the podcast?

No, bandwidth is expensive here. Would it make any difference?
If I start an enduro series here in the next year or two it will be CMA sanctioned or it won't be happening. You think I will have any problem dealing with CMA?

 

[Brian P]

There's no way to know. On the positive side, the CMA is more inclined to work with something that involves knobby tires than racing slicks ... but even motocross in Canada is via MCC, not CMA.

The MCC is doing everything that the CMA ought to be doing. It has all of the needed organisational elements except that connection with the FIM. The CMA has the connection with the FIM, but they're useless. Maybe less than useless. But never the two shall meet.

Next time you are doing a supply replenishment run to somewhere in civilisation where there is a wi-fi connection, listen to that podcast.

 

[bigpoppa]

In fact ... his career passed through Mexico's national series, despite him being from Quebec.

wow...seriously?

 

[TK4]

The question that remains to be answered - why did 11 members of the FIM board abstain from voting ?
Does someone have photos of them in the shower with a donkey ? Just asking...

 

[xrljoel]

No man that's not how it works, it's riders that build the events, sanction by CMA means as an event organizer I can approach a potential sponsor and likely get some support, IF you want to go that route. Marilyn has not been the competition event contact at CMA for some years now.


where did you read that?
I'm sure all I said was I never had any problem with dealing with the organization. Even less in recent years because I have been affiliating my events with ATA and the awesome rider Neil Carter makes everything so easy seamless and possible.


All irrelevant if the country remains in lockdown in 2021.

Spare me.

And around the circle we go, " It's riders that build events." Well, as long as the organizers are a recognized friend of the CMA leadership and you don't actually expect anything else from them than to send you the insurance documents.

For way too many years your attitude has been prevalent and has been THE problem for motorcycle racing in Canada. NOBODY looks up from the trials section they're laying out for the enjoyment of friends and family, the harescrambles course, their section of an enduro or the ice racing oval and say, "Hey, I why doesn't the CMA do more across all the disciplines and what have they ACTUALLY done for us here today?"

You talk of support from a local sponsor; great, a handful of dusty accessories that he couldn't sell anyways as prizes, MAYBE some coffee and donuts from the Tim's in town, and if you're lucky the local volunteer fire department may come out to sell hotdogs and pop. Been there done that, but they ran out of t-shirts because the organizing an event takes a ton of work just to get to the point of dropping the flag, never mind what needs to or could happen afterwards.

But by all means - keep diligently paying your insurance fees so a handful of guys can ride their own event, don't expect anything more from them (because they can't be bothered) and make sure they know you will support them without question.

 

[Wingboy]

The question that remains to be answered - why did 11 members of the FIM board abstain from voting ?
Does someone have photos of them in the shower with a donkey ? Just asking...

Abstain? Maybe they were just no shows. Lack of interest?

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