Does the CMA publish an annual financial report? Wouldn't be the least bit surprised to find out there has been a ton of corruption.
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The CMA and the FIM
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Trials
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"The Canadian Motorcycle Association was founded in 1946 and incorporated federally as a Not for Profit in 1957."
So yes, they must file annual tax returns with the government and would be in deep ka-ka if they cook the books.
Thanks for posting that up. We can only hope that change will come for our Canadian racers. If the MCC manages to gain control a lot of things would change for the better. I would probably ride ATA events again.I cannot say I know much about the subject but the Motorcycle Experience guys talked about it:
Motorcycle Experience Podcast Episode 4
In this episode, the team talks about the FIM’s recent decision to continue working with the CMA and not recognize the MCC. Colin does his best to put the FIM’s decision into context, while Cam asks “what exactly again is the CMA?” The episode wraps up just as Dave shockingly discovers that...www.podbean.com
Ok, so you really, really don't like them.
what obstacle to the growth and advancement of motorcycling and motorcycle competition in Canada did they create that prevented you from having an event so far?
The club I was in wanted to host more sanctioned off road events, primarily cross country, enduro and trail rides. CMA said no, you've got your allotment.
On a number of occasions we put forward ideas to bring more and/or new riders to the events THAT WOULD HAVE RESULTED IN MORE CMA MEMBERSHIPS SOLD but were thwarted/denied at every turn.
It seemed that if you weren't, "one of the chosen" the CMA simply dismissed you out-of-hand or ignored you.
As I said, impenetrable.
TK4
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You can't run an FIM world event in Canada or get an international licence without CMA approval. The Bastedos haven't given sh*t one about anything except MX since the late 1970s. When other folks recently tried to send a send a team overseas to MXDN either Larry or Carl Bastedo had a fit and the whole deal got nixed. Flat track, MX and road racing have had to work around them, running National series as outlaws. They rubber stamp small regional events because its a cash cow.
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So if the CMA dose nothing for you, then why would you want to pay them? Would you not rather pay someone that has your and the sports best interest at heart?
TK4
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You wouldn't - unless you needed a licence or sanction for an international event.
How they've been able to keep this leaky boat afloat for so long dumbfounds me.
Trials
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We used CMA insurance to sanction CVMG EOTA vintage events for years and I never had a single issue, put on 13 events in one season with assistance from others. If I want to put on a National or Provincial sanctioned event this year all I have to do is ask for a date and build it.
It's a very small cow, they don't collect any more money from our events that is not related to insurance coverage, cost for CMA national gold medallions is almost nothing to the club, they subsidize those. Any extra money collected at events I have hosted goes to support Canada's Trial desNations team.
It's a very small cow, they don't collect any more money from our events that is not related to insurance coverage, cost for CMA national gold medallions is almost nothing to the club, they subsidize those. Any extra money collected at events I have hosted goes to support Canada's Trial desNations team.
Iceman
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You don't think it's strange that every single other competitive rider here disagrees with you?International
Exactly what is it you want to host?
You have to be friends with the Bastedos...
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Trials
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I seen her once from a distance, she was in the stands and I was riding a stadium trials demonstration, I think she had blond hair.
What does CMA really do for you:
They are the FIM racing license and insurance bureau people in Canada that you have to communicate with when you send in your event results and want them to mean a little something. (or heaven forbid need to report that one of the riders peeled out 3 spectators)
It's like being angry with your insurance broker, who also happens to be your only link to the international racing motorcycle community.
What does CMA really do for you:
They are the FIM racing license and insurance bureau people in Canada that you have to communicate with when you send in your event results and want them to mean a little something. (or heaven forbid need to report that one of the riders peeled out 3 spectators)
It's like being angry with your insurance broker, who also happens to be your only link to the international racing motorcycle community.
Trials
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Maybe they all go to events just to ride all the time
and I frequently ride as well as sanction events.
Iceman
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Oh, so the Bastedos like observed trials? So that makes the CMA a good bunch?
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You don't think a motorcycle ASSOCIATION should be more than just an insurance provider? Our club had our own insurance policy that covered club level events and we could access insurance for our sanctioned events too.
How about energetically promoting the sport/activity by building partnerships with enthusiast organizations/groups?
How about working to create regional/provincial/national series by engaging WITH the clubs as opposed to dictating to them or dismissing/ignoring them?
Perhaps advocating (or at least tangibly supporting the work of others) in areas such as land use, safety or insurance for example?
No offence intended, but the fact that you're satisfied with them doing as little as possible doesn't excuse their p*ss-poor attitude and performance for so many years.
The CMA does nothing discernible for the roadracing community in Canada. Zip, zero, zilch. Insurance, nope. Advocacy, nope. Promoting our interests, nope. Rulebook and licensing commonality or mutual recognition with the rest of the world, nope. Nothing. But for those who wish to compete elsewhere in the world, your RACE, SOAR, or CSBK license means nothing, because none of them, not even our national roadracing organisation, are connected with the FIM via the CMA. You have to spend more money and time and go through a bunch more gyrations, some of which involve knowing the right people, in order to do it.
Trials
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No man that's not how it works, it's riders that build the events, sanction by CMA means as an event organizer I can approach a potential sponsor and likely get some support, IF you want to go that route. Marilyn has not been the competition event contact at CMA for some years now.
where did you read that?
I'm sure all I said was I never had any problem with dealing with the organization. Even less in recent years because I have been affiliating my events with ATA and the awesome rider Neil Carter makes everything so easy seamless and possible.
All irrelevant if the country remains in lockdown in 2021.
Trials
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Yep. That's what would happen if you start a separate organization, race series or whatever that is not FIM sanctioned through CMA, and then lobby to put CMA out of the FIM picture.
"Rulebook and licensing commonality or mutual recognition with the rest of the world, nope. Nothing."
You opted out! I have a CMA license, I get rule books and flyers every year in the mail.
If I give them sufficient advance time on events, they will do a mail out to support my event.
If I become a champion my name gets stuck into the history book lol and that is worth whatever you feel it's worth.
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