The Bad Drivers of Ontario Thread

[Relax]

I generally do that as well but in this case, the turn lane starts literally immediately after the driveway into the Timmies.

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Especially in that situtation, I wouldn't feel bad at all for not signalling until after passing the driveway. It's not like anyone exiting the parking lot can squeeze into the turning lane without infringing on the right (your) lane.

 

[GreyGhost]

Barrie police finally got the parking lot crasher. It was at least the third incident in two days with her. She barricaded herself in the car and they dragged her out. Hopefully they have a good mechanism to keep her car in jail as she obviously is not concerned about laws or crashing given the number of times she's done it recently.

https://www.facebook.com/atthescene/posts/pfbid0C4XMffJPQ385hf82fVMshBeWEa2Q7XxpHBkZct6LqQWusQKLCCdGxENtxLyPG7v7l

EDIT:
The yellow wasn't on her car yesterday and is nowhere near where her car is now so that must have been yet another fail to remain.

 

[Rob MacLennan]

Quebec plate. Interesting.

Edit - Judging by the uniformity of the damage I would say she sideswiped a yellow painted concrete post.

 

[sburns]

Barrie police finally got the parking lot crasher. It was at least the third incident in two days with her. She barricaded herself in the car and they dragged her out. Hopefully they have a good mechanism to keep her car in jail as she obviously is not concerned about laws or crashing given the number of times she's done it recently.

https://www.facebook.com/atthescene/posts/pfbid0C4XMffJPQ385hf82fVMshBeWEa2Q7XxpHBkZct6LqQWusQKLCCdGxENtxLyPG7v7l

EDIT:
The yellow wasn't on her car yesterday and is nowhere near where her car is now so that must have been yet another fail to remain.

Gotta give Police a bit of leeway, as to why they are not dealing with speeding issues more often, when they have to deal with stupidity like this.

 

[GreyGhost]

Gotta give Police a bit of leeway, as to why they are not dealing with speeding issues more often, when they have to deal with stupidity like this.

I count at least four and maybe six cops standing around after a single old lady was taken into custody (after an incident in which it sounds like there were no injuries). I'm glad they finally got her but a bunch of them would be more effective elsewhere after the cuffs are on.

 

[sburns]

I count at least four and maybe six cops standing around after a single old lady was taken into custody. I'm glad they finally got her but a bunch of them would be more effective elsewhere after the cuffs are on.

Lol I knew you were going to point that out. Of course, but with the world (or just Canada) the way it's going, I understand they also have to protect themselves, and from litigation. But yeah a few less bodies could do the trick.

 

[Rob MacLennan]

I'm willing to forgive them that. You have someone in a 2 ton weapon, who has shown a willingness to run into things. They can respond to calls from that location, should they come in. Officers on that sort of duty wouldn't likely be doing traffic anyway, for example. Maybe they could by chance spot some crime taking place at the time, but policing is generally reactionary. As they say, "When seconds count, the police are only minutes away."

 

[GreyGhost]

I'm willing to forgive them that. You have someone in a 2 ton weapon, who has shown a willingness to run into things. They can respond to calls from that location, should they come in. Officers on that sort of duty wouldn't likely be doing traffic anyway, for example. Maybe they could by chance spot some crime taking place at the time, but policing is generally reactionary. As they say, "When seconds count, the police are only minutes away."

I am not at all concerned about four or six showing up. She has a history of running. Once the cuffs are on "Ok rob, you got it? I need to go back to work." Leave a couple to do paperwork and get the car towed.

 

[Rob MacLennan]

I am not at all concerned about four or six showing up. She has a history of running. Once the cuffs are on "Ok rob, you got it? I need to go back to work." Leave a couple to do paperwork and get the car towed.

My point was that cruising around aimlessly or leaving when a call comes in that needs to be attended is pretty much a wash.

 

[FullMotoJacket]

Gotta give Police a bit of leeway, as to why they are not dealing with speeding issues more often, when they have to deal with stupidity like this.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say no one has ever held a gun to anyone's head and forced them to join a police force. You signed on, do the job.

 

[Dirty Frank]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say no one has ever held a gun to anyone's head and forced them to join a police force. You signed on, do the job.

One of the worst things about municipal jobs is that if you work too hard your coworkers will give you hate.
Not joking even a little with that statement.

 

[Scuba Steve]

I've had similar happen to me as well in the past, so even though (I think) you're supposed to put your signal on a half block in advance of your turn, I wait until I pass the last driveway/entrance before my turn if there's any chance of someone thinking I'm turning earlier. Right or wrong, I've also warned the rest of my family to do so as well.

Nope signal is not supposed to be on until after the last driveway or the accident is your fault. If you are signaling it is understood that you are taking the next available turn and the accident will be your fault if someone pulls out in front.

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[Rob MacLennan]

Nope signal is not supposed to be on until after the last driveway or the accident is your fault. If you are signaling it is understood that you are taking the next available turn and the accident will be your fault if someone pulls out in front.

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Incorrect. Failure to yield is failure to yield. The vehicle travelling on the main road, in a straight line, has right of way.

 

[Scuba Steve]

Incorrect. Failure to yield is failure to yield. The vehicle travelling on the main road, in a straight line, has right of way.

I used the believe that but courts have found otherwise if you have your signal on it is indicating intent to turn.

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[Rob MacLennan]

I used the believe that but courts have found otherwise if you have your signal on it is indicating intent to turn.

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You would need to show me case law on that before I would accept it, as I've been in court when such cases were decided.

And, in my situation, I had intent to turn and was in proximity to the turn, requiring me to signal.

 

[Malks]

You would need to show me case law on that before I would accept it, as I've been in court when such cases were decided.

And, in my situation, I had intent to turn and was in proximity to the turn, requiring me to signal.

I will still wait until after I pass the last driveway to turn on my signal, in order to avoid any confusion as to whether I am turning or not.

There is a mall entrance/exit here in Orangeville on First Street just north of Hansen that causes this same issue. The entrance is located immediately after the point where the road widens to two southbound lanes. If you signal to enter the new lane, people exiting the mall think you are turning into the mall. Even if you don't indicate the lane change, many still think you are turning there because most do. I have seen countless collisions at this location in the years I have lived here. The issue is bad enough that a sign was placed at the exit to remind people leaving the mall that not all traffic on First Street turns into the mall. When I am approaching Hansen I will usually wait until I have passed the mall entrance before using my indicator, or merging into the right lane. This has occasionally caused me to not be able to get into the right lane because people will make the right out of the mall if there is no one in the right lane. When that happens I just continue on to the next street to turn.

 

[Relax]

Hmmm, maybe all of us BMW drivers knew this all along:

Failing to Signal Contrary to Section 142 of the Highway Traffic Act

Failing to Signal Contrary to Section 142 of the Highway Traffic Act. In addition to causing significant annoyance, failing to signal poses a danger to others who may be surprised by an unexpected move. Equally annoying may be the driver that uses a signal; yet, the signal is applied only at...

defendit.ca

"As shown within section 142 of the Highway Traffic Act, the legal requirement is to use a signal to provide advance warning to other drivers of a forthcoming turn or lane change rather than as an advisement of an immediate action. Interestingly, whereas the legal requirement is that a signal must indicate intention to turn or change lanes where doing so may affect the safe "operation of any other vehicle", the failure to signal charge requires proof that there actually was another vehicle in the area that was potentially affected; and accordingly, where another vehicle is absent, the legal requirement to signal is absent. "

 

[Soulcatcher668]

While annoying…it’s an empty lot with almost no cars in the photo.

Do that during the day at a busy plaza and expect to get your car messed with.

Here…only people getting angry are Redditors.

The true test of character is how you act when no one is watching.

 

[Rob MacLennan]

Hmmm, maybe all of us BMW drivers knew this all along:

Failing to Signal Contrary to Section 142 of the Highway Traffic Act

Failing to Signal Contrary to Section 142 of the Highway Traffic Act. In addition to causing significant annoyance, failing to signal poses a danger to others who may be surprised by an unexpected move. Equally annoying may be the driver that uses a signal; yet, the signal is applied only at...

defendit.ca

"As shown within section 142 of the Highway Traffic Act, the legal requirement is to use a signal to provide advance warning to other drivers of a forthcoming turn or lane change rather than as an advisement of an immediate action. Interestingly, whereas the legal requirement is that a signal must indicate intention to turn or change lanes where doing so may affect the safe "operation of any other vehicle", the failure to signal charge requires proof that there actually was another vehicle in the area that was potentially affected; and accordingly, where another vehicle is absent, the legal requirement to signal is absent. "

If you get pulled over for not signalling then there was at least one vehicle that could have been affected by your move

EDIT - It should be noted that Ontario is rather strange, in this respect. Don't try arguing that in the majority of US States, for example, where signalling is a requirement. I always signal, whether or not I see a vehicle that might be affected, because I might not have seen all the vehicles around me. It's an extra chance to avoid a possible collision.

 

[Rob MacLennan]

I will still wait until after I pass the last driveway to turn on my signal, in order to avoid any confusion as to whether I am turning or not.

There is a mall entrance/exit here in Orangeville on First Street just north of Hansen that causes this same issue. The entrance is located immediately after the point where the road widens to two southbound lanes. If you signal to enter the new lane, people exiting the mall think you are turning into the mall. Even if you don't indicate the lane change, many still think you are turning there because most do. I have seen countless collisions at this location in the years I have lived here. The issue is bad enough that a sign was placed at the exit to remind people leaving the mall that not all traffic on First Street turns into the mall. When I am approaching Hansen I will usually wait until I have passed the mall entrance before using my indicator, or merging into the right lane. This has occasionally caused me to not be able to get into the right lane because people will make the right out of the mall if there is no one in the right lane. When that happens I just continue on to the next street to turn.

Here's an example of when I act differently, when signalling to make a turn.

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When I take this exit lane I will signal to move into it, then turn off my signal. If I'm going to turn into the gas station I'll signal roughly 100' before. If I'm going straight to Kennedy and turning then my signal stays off until I'm past the gas station. In the previous scenario that I posted about there is not sufficient distance to do that, IMO. No distance, in fact.