The Bad Drivers of Ontario Thread

[Malks]

Here's an example of when I act differently, when signalling to make a turn.

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When I take this exit lane I will signal to move into it, then turn off my signal. If I'm going to turn into the gas station I'll signal roughly 100' before. If I'm going straight to Kennedy and turning then my signal stays off until I'm past the gas station. In the previous scenario that I posted about there is not sufficient distance to do that, IMO. No distance, in fact.

I've tried that same manoeuvre on First Street. Signal my move into new right/through lane, turn off signal right away, then turn it on again immediately after the mall entrance. It only works if there is no one waiting to exit the mall. This action also can cause a conflict with those waiting to make their north-to-west left turn into the mall, since they also see it as a gap in traffic and go for it.

This location is made worse because there are left turns allowed both into and out of this entrance. Plus there is another plaza across First Street and their driveway lines up opposite the mall entrance. Unbelievably some people try to drive straight across First street between the two. These entrances are within 40m of the intersection. The centre median should really extend farther north and block through and left turn movements in this area. That would eliminate some of the conflicts, but not the signal to enter the right turn lane issue that started this conversation.

 

[Rob MacLennan]

I've tried that same manoeuvre on First Street. Signal my move into new right/through lane, turn off signal right away, then turn it on again immediately after the mall entrance. It only works if there is no one waiting to exit the mall. This action also can cause a conflict with those waiting to make their north-to-west left turn into the mall, since they also see it as a gap in traffic and go for it.

This location is made worse because there are left turns allowed both into and out of this entrance. Plus there is another plaza across First Street and their driveway lines up opposite the mall entrance. Unbelievably some people try to drive straight across First street between the two. These entrances are within 40m of the intersection. The centre median should really extend farther north and block through and left turn movements in this area. That would eliminate some of the conflicts, but not the signal to enter the right turn lane issue that started this conversation.

Seattle has a fix for this, in areas that have a lot of commercial driveways. They bar left turns with a short, narrow curb that runs down the centre, where there wouldn't be enough room for a proper median. They then have advanced greens, with signs that explicitly permit U-turns at those intersections. it works quite well and you never have to worry about some left turner taking you out, when some well meaning moron lets them through. Sometimes that 'median' is as little as 8" wide.

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