The Bad Drivers of Ontario Thread

While I highly dislike punishment before trial, if government thinks its a good idea for 172, I think they should expand scope to truck drivers. Failure to properly complete pre-trip should be automatic 30 days off so you have some time to review what is legally required to do the job you say you are qualified to do. If a cracked frame isn't enough of a defect to park for the day, I question the drivers judgement and I think there is a good argument in court that they should not have a commercial vehicle license at all after trial.

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GreyGhost said:
While I highly dislike punishment before trial, if government thinks its a good idea for 172, I think they should expand scope to truck drivers. Failure to properly complete pre-trip should be automatic 30 days off so you have some time to review what is legally required to do the job you say you are qualified to do. If a cracked frame isn't enough of a defect to park for the day, I question the drivers judgement and I think there is a good argument in court that they should now have a commercial vehicle license at all after trial.

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Assuming only the trailer had a defect the driver would have at least made half wages for the day if he went with just the truck. Instead he's grounded for at least the day and more for the trailer. Add in fines and insurance implications and he's a loser.

I also assume that whoever owns the gravel in the trailer would not be responsible for any damages should a collision result. Ethics and economics.
 
nobbie48 said:
I also assume that whoever owns the gravel in the trailer would not be responsible for any damages should a collision result. Ethics and economics.
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The gravel is a total loss. The cost to retrieve it from the trailer in the impound is exponentially prohibitive.
 
FullMotoJacket said:
The gravel is a total loss. The cost to retrieve it from the trailer in the impound is exponentially prohibitive.
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I think he was questioning whether this was like marine law where the client wanting goods moved could be liable for damage caused by vessel. Afaik, road law doesn't have similar provisions. Client is insulated from liability by hiring a shipper. If they pay so low that there is no way a legitimate company could do the job, I still don't know how you would go after them.
 
GreyGhost said:
I think he was questioning whether this was like marine law where the client wanting goods moved could be liable for damage caused by vessel. Afaik, road law doesn't have similar provisions. Client is insulated from liability by hiring a shipper. If they pay so low that there is no way a legitimate company could do the job, I still don't know how you would go after them.
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Actually not true there have been some recent lawsuits where the shipper of the goods was held responsible for the trucker.

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Scuba Steve said:
Actually not true there have been some recent lawsuits where the shipper of the goods was held responsible for the trucker.

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The general rule is if I pay you $XX to do something it's on you to cover the liabilities. How you do it is your problem.

Does that change when the shipper knows the job can't be done safely at that price?

A farmer could argue "I grow carrots and know the price of seed, fertilizer, farm labour and land. I know nothing about trucking or what deals the guy has so when the guy agreed to take a load of carrots from Bradford to Peterborough for $50 I let him. Maybe he was going to Peterborough empty anyways to pick up a load and was going to make an extra $50 on the trip."

I could see the liability if the goods were inherently hazardous and appropriate measures not taken.
 
nobbie48 said:
The general rule is if I pay you $XX to do something it's on you to cover the liabilities. How you do it is your problem.

Does that change when the shipper knows the job can't be done safely at that price?

A farmer could argue "I grow carrots and know the price of seed, fertilizer, farm labour and land. I know nothing about trucking or what deals the guy has so when the guy agreed to take a load of carrots from Bradford to Peterborough for $50 I let him. Maybe he was going to Peterborough empty anyways to pick up a load and was going to make an extra $50 on the trip."

I could see the liability if the goods were inherently hazardous and appropriate measures not taken.
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The one i saw basically put it on the shipper to make sure the driver was following the law. As the shipper you can be responsible for hiring a bad driver.
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Scuba Steve said:
The one i saw basically put it on the shipper to make sure the driver was following the law. As the shipper you can be responsible for hiring a bad driver.
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Negligent Selection in Truck Accident Cases: Expanding Liability Beyond the Motor Carrier

Read our blog on negligent selection in truck accident cases: expanding liability beyond the motor carrier. Contact us after a truck crash.
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That's a US firm with their hot coffee million dollars chit show lawsuits. Here, the service manager of a GM dealership told me they pulled the plates off unsafe vehicles before releasing the cars to the owners. Good.

Morally we should report obviously bad decisions and many of us have reported drunk drivers but is there a legal requirement? In some cases it will cost the witness if they have to appear in court. The remuneration sucks and not wanting to get involved is understandable.
 
Please don't give me consequences, I know I ran over a person and dog and ran away but I'm an Uber driver and promise not to do it again. Thankfully the jp didn't fall for that tripe. 12 month driving prohibition.

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Uber driver handed driving ban for failing to stop after crash that killed dog

An Uber driver was handed a 12-month driving ban on Tuesday following a collision that injured a pedestrian and killed a labrador retriever in Barrie.
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Since the OPP went encrypted the predatory towing guys aren't able to listen to a scanner to get calls. Apparently more than a few of them are using the waze app to check the map for crashes. Seems some folks are trolling the tow operators by tagging a multi vehicle collision in any location that they see a well concealed OPP doing enforcement. They say that its like moths to a flame as all the tow trucks converge on the scene in WFO mode.
 
GreyGhost said:
Please don't give me consequences, I know I ran over a person and dog and ran away but I'm an Uber driver and promise not to do it again. Thankfully the jp didn't fall for that tripe. 12 month driving prohibition.

barrie.ctvnews.ca

Uber driver handed driving ban for failing to stop after crash that killed dog

An Uber driver was handed a 12-month driving ban on Tuesday following a collision that injured a pedestrian and killed a labrador retriever in Barrie.
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No special license.
No additional insurance.
No training.

How is it even allowed?

What's "ride sharing" again? And how does it apply to the way uber is actually run?
 
RC-31 said:
No additional insurance.
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You have to report commercial use of your vehicle to your insurance company. It's one of the questions they ask when getting a quote or reviewing your policy. You need to notify your insurance company if there are any changes to they use of your automobile as well. That almost always means a rate increase outside of a marked decrease in commute mileage or retirement.
 
RC-31 said:
No special license.
No additional insurance.
No training.

How is it even allowed?

What's "ride sharing" again? And how does it apply to the way uber is actually run?
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Uber is required to provide insurance for ride share drivers in Ontario and it is provided by Economical Insurance (Formerly Intact). It only applies when they are signed onto the app and actively driving for Uber.

 
GreyGhost said:
Please don't give me consequences, I know I ran over a person and dog and ran away but I'm an Uber driver and promise not to do it again. Thankfully the jp didn't fall for that tripe. 12 month driving prohibition.

barrie.ctvnews.ca

Uber driver handed driving ban for failing to stop after crash that killed dog

An Uber driver was handed a 12-month driving ban on Tuesday following a collision that injured a pedestrian and killed a labrador retriever in Barrie.
barrie.ctvnews.ca barrie.ctvnews.ca
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"Lee, who had no criminal record, admitted to leaving the scene and stopping roughly 500 metres away in a parking lot."


Did he return to the scene or was he caught later?

There are degrees of irresponsibility and conscience.

It sounds like his actual driving may not have been that bad. Running cancelled that out and it's hard for bleeding hearts to accept but when your moral boat sinks your family goes down with it.

I didn't think Uber paid that well, supporting his wife, two kids in university and the car.
 
nobbie48 said:
"Lee, who had no criminal record, admitted to leaving the scene and stopping roughly 500 metres away in a parking lot."


Did he return to the scene or was he caught later?
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According to news at the time, police found him. If he had returned to the scene, I suspect JP would have wrist slapped him as is their normal course of action.

barrie.ctvnews.ca

Dog killed and owner left with serious injuries in hit-and-run

A dog has died and a man is left with serious injuries after a hit-and-run in Barrie Thursday evening.
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One province over. Probably from Brampton, so we'll allow it. The passenger side of the cab getting obliterated in the cabview cam footage is awesome.

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FullMotoJacket said:
One province over. Probably from Brampton, so we'll allow it. The passenger side of the cab getting obliterated in the cabview cam footage is awesome.

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And the driver looking around like he's wondering if anyone saw that?
 
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