Why not? When you've got nothing to lose.............
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The Bad Drivers of Ontario Thread
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Why not? When you've got nothing to lose.............
No consequences so far…so why stop now?
Mikedezo44
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Driver caught and charged twice in same day for driving while suspended last year, convicted May 2023. Caught again today DRIVING while suspended 
Malks
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I would hope that breach of a court order would result in arrest and jail time until bail posted! Well, it should in this case.Driver caught and charged twice in same day for driving while suspended last year, convicted May 2023. Caught again today DRIVING while suspended
I've seen men, women, young, old, various races, etc all represented in the multiple suspension/dui crowd. It is definitely not an exclusive club. With full stats, maybe there is some group that is over-represented but the problem is broad enough that we need a change in overall enforcement/justice to protect us from those out of control idiots.
IMO there's a portion that know it's wrong but do it anyway and a portion that think
I suspect most of the offenders have the same excuse. "I have to get to __________".
Fill in the blank, work, store, etc. If you question them on why they aren't following the laws it will eventually come down to their sense of self importance. Their time is more important than anyone else's because mommy and the system told him so.
How do you make this person less demanding?
Our economy isn't helping. If I was in sales with a downtown territory my present transit time would be 44 minutes by car, 1 hour 7 minutes by transit, 1 hour 3 minutes by bicycle and 3 hours 57 minute walking.
If I was in a mortgage squeeze, going by car could save me enough time to maybe get in another sales call and hopefully keep the wolf from the door. Or maybe keep me from looking stupid for financing a boat based on thinking the bubble would never burst.
Keep in mind I can walk to a TTC stop in 2 minutes and be on a subway in 13 minutes. Pick the wrong street to live on and it's worse.
To get away from side streets becoming busy thoroughfares city planners years ago started laying out Cozy Crescents, Meandering Mews, Lovely Lanes, ignoring that things would change and that all those quaint streets would be a public transit nightmare.
TK4
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It's called entitlement - a disease that's far too prevalent right across society.
Hell, all of those make moving without a car a nightmare. Politicians like to talk and new subdivisions may have a shortcut or two but good planning for walkability would have a pedestrian connection anywhere that could save a few blocks of walking (as people won't walk that far). Most corners in a road could benefit from a walkway to the adjacent street. You'd lose a few lots per subdivision (or make the lots a few inches narrower). My BIL is in a crescent. You can see the kids school and a park from his house. <200' if you could go direct. Walking is ~five blocks each way.
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Cutting through backyards was a standard shortcut in Parkdale. Not every homeowner was forgiving.
Friends recently lived in a subdivision where that was still accepted. Normal small lots breed fences which kills this concept. And dirtbags. I don't want randoms wandering everywhere on my property. Some things are out of sight, out of mind.
There is a concept of the four pillars of sentencing with respect to a "justice" system:
Retribution
Deterrence
Incapacitation
Rehabilitation
The issue is our legal system (no way it should be called a justice system as justice does not exist) has totally lost its way on pretty much all of the above. In this context the last three are completely thrown out the window and the first is extremely weak. We see repeat suspended license offenders as there is little to any real deterrence. Catch and release (and no jail time on convictions) does not prevent them from immediately re-offending and of course forget the last one.
The person has dug a giant hole and society has given them no reason to not just keep digging.
Retribution
Deterrence
Incapacitation
Rehabilitation
The issue is our legal system (no way it should be called a justice system as justice does not exist) has totally lost its way on pretty much all of the above. In this context the last three are completely thrown out the window and the first is extremely weak. We see repeat suspended license offenders as there is little to any real deterrence. Catch and release (and no jail time on convictions) does not prevent them from immediately re-offending and of course forget the last one.
The person has dug a giant hole and society has given them no reason to not just keep digging.
The answer IMO is mutual respect. Respect has been replaced by fear and being materially impressed.
I don't know if many of the trouble makers would understand respect. It might be so foreign to them they would think it's a con of some sort.
Respect for whom?
Also, sadly, "trouble makers" that continuously drive drunk/suspended/uninsured that get caught without being involved in a collision would mostly see it as a victimless crime and that they are being persecuted. If they could recognize the danger/consequences of their actions, they would likely change their behavior.
Mutual respect. I respect that you got up a few minutes earlier than me and are ahead of me in traffic. You respect that I, along with others, have schedules so you don't drive down the 400 at 25 KPH to enjoy the fall colours.
Drunk driving is a special case. Over simplified, alcoholism is a disease and it isn't a crime to be sick. Expand from there. You can't punish me for being sick.
The others are purely, IMO, ego driven. If it is instilled from birth is it substantially different than racism and white supremacy?
I can't recall the source but the comparison is to a tree planted crooked and the outcome irreversible.
Something has to be done. If the nail won't go in, bigger and bigger hammers aren't the answer.
Mutual respect would of course first start with not cutting through backyards in Parkdale... mutual respect for other people's property.
In reality if at anytime in history it truly existed in humanity there would have been no wars, no crime.... not that some people don't have respect but when we teach people there are no repercussion/consequences to their actions things will just continue to decay---that is what we see today at many criminal levels.
Being blind isn’t a crime. Jumping behind the wheel of a car and taking a stab at driving when you are is.
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8 Billion people on the planet and if everyone was at peace with the others it would work until just one individual wanted just a little more than he deserved. Then it becomes a chain reaction.Mutual respect would of course first start with not cutting through backyards in Parkdale... mutual respect for other people's property.
In reality if at anytime in history it truly existed in humanity there would have been no wars, no crime.... not that some people don't have respect but when we teach people there are no repercussion/consequences to their actions things will just continue to decay---that is what we see today at many criminal levels.
There are solutions to the problem, eight billion variants.
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