Hitting a fully grown horse isn't like hitting a deer. Probably resulted in a roll-over and seatbelts and airbags can only do so much.
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The Bad Drivers of Ontario Thread
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Mad Mike
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I read about this last year. Driver was running fast, driving without required corrective lenses, no seat belt.I dont know where this one lies. Leaning towards a driving issue. 60 yo smokes a horse (one of 30 loose) at 3am and gets ejected and dies. Now family is suing for 3m for loss of income and companionship. He was a 60 yo truck driver, how much more income would he have made? Not a clean case for either side. Seeks like an attempt at a financial win in the face of a personal tragedy.
Family of Newmarket man killed in collision with horse files $3M lawsuit
Aprim Shemoun was killed when his vehicle struck a horse that had escaped from a farm owned by Bruno Schickedanz, just east of Newmarket, last Novemberwww.newmarkettoday.ca
I've come across loose horses it happens all the time. Hard to see at night, but a lot easier to see than a person walking the road. Horses tend to run parallel to traffic, unlike moose or deer that give drivers no chance as the mostly collide while bolting across the road.
But the son said his dad was the best driver ever.
A friend hit a loose horse. Country road, 80 limit. Driving a Dodge Dart. Reared up and the front legs can opener'd the driver's side A pillar and most of the C pillar. One leg wound up in the back seat. It had a bench seat. He flopped down on the seat and avoided getting hit. Just glass cuts from the windshield. The leg(s) took out the headrest, so he was lucky he saw it coming and ducked. That was well before no fault. I don't think he got anything aside from book for the car.
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Coming back from Manitoba, in the dark, I saw ovals, going up and down the headlight beams. Probably a moose. An hour or two later I was pulled over by the OPP and given a warning about bears, deer and moose and maybe I shouldn't be going that fast. A moose dropping through the roof of a convertible would definitely ruin the upholstery.
Video of the fatal crash in scarborough yesterday (about 0:55). Person that died turned left in front of a speeding car. If the vehicle speeding had been a bike, the fatality would have gone the other way. Both drivers failed the situational awareness game.
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At what appears to be the rate of speed (by where the grey car ended up and the video of it moving) even a motorcycle may have been fatal or serious injuries to the white car driver. Just depends on how and where the impact takes place.Video of the fatal crash in scarborough yesterday (about 0:55). Person that died turned left in front of a speeding car. If the vehicle speeding had been a bike, the fatality would have gone the other way. Both drivers failed the situational awareness game.
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For the left turn there were other vehicles approaching the intersection there looks to be no way he was making in front of them. Rental looking van appears to be turning right by it slowing, so he was probably going to turn beside or just after the van. I am sure we have all done that, not sure it is HTA permitted....
If it was not for the speed of the grey car, left turn would likely be 100% at fault.
Tesla driver in Hamilton dooring cyclists. Riders broke bones. Driver left without providing insurance info.
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Two Hamilton cyclists allegedly 'doored' by Tesla in incident caught on video
Two Hamilton cyclists are recovering from their injuries after allegedly being ‘doored’ by a Tesla driver in an incident caught on video last month.
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Identified driver and no charges, really? Hopefully he feels the insurance hit then. The two bikes were far enough out it could have been a motorcycle or even another car.... what a dumbass.Tesla driver in Hamilton dooring cyclists. Riders broke bones. Driver left without providing insurance info.
Two Hamilton cyclists allegedly 'doored' by Tesla in incident caught on video
Two Hamilton cyclists are recovering from their injuries after allegedly being ‘doored’ by a Tesla driver in an incident caught on video last month.
This is why getting into the habit of the "Dutch Reach" when opening a driver's side door is a good idea.
Tesla probably has a recording of the crash from the car cams. Is the bike hit hard enough to trigger an event? I don't know. Hard to put any blame on cyclists for this one. Just cruising along and bam. If they were in TdF mode, people would blame the riders.
So this will mess up the riders ability to earn income (very few jobs are easy with broken wrists). Does that get dealt with through auto insurance or a civil suit against their general liability insurance? A car was obviously involved but it was parked. Since they have a lawyer, I'm assuming some insurance company will be paying quite a bit for this stupid move.
It is a bit of BS no charges have been laid as this is under the HTA with demerit points so my guess that would lock it right into the car insurance. No charges, IDK who pays, likely still the car insurance.
Also looks like the idiot was on his phone when he got out of the car, totally distracted. Too bad it was not a truck that got the door....
For whatever reason, if charges aren't laid at the scene, police seem to take forever to lay them. Often you hear of charges a year after. It's not like it took a year to investigate. I don't know if police are hoping people forget or if they would rather hand out 10 easy speeding tickets instead of spending the time to review video and hand out one ticket where people actually got hurt or if there is another reason for the sluggish behaviour.
Donuts, I blame donuts.
The only way a parked car is not at least partially responsible in an accident post no-fault is if no one is behind the wheel. If someone backs into you in a parking lot and you're in the car, you will get assessed some degree of fault. Call your insurance company if you'd like the official double-speak side-of-mouth explanation why.
No, that's the reason.
I was involved in a not at fault fail to remain. It was on the road the person lived on (on my commute) and I recognized the car. I gave the cops (coincidentally Hamilton) his info, dash cam footage, and pics of my paint on his car. They didn't press charges for the fail to remain or the HTA violation that caused the accident. They did, however, flag him with the MTO for retest (to placate me, I'd assume). He must have failed, as his car never moved again, then disappeared, never to be replaced.
They'll just keep doing it, as long as it pays.
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How do you leave the scene of an accident and not provide insurance information?Tesla driver in Hamilton dooring cyclists. Riders broke bones. Driver left without providing insurance info.
Two Hamilton cyclists allegedly 'doored' by Tesla in incident caught on video
Two Hamilton cyclists are recovering from their injuries after allegedly being ‘doored’ by a Tesla driver in an incident caught on video last month.
I was told opening a door into traffic was an automatic charge of obstructing traffic, or fail to yield. Then, causing an accident with injuries and just leaving, well that adds leaving the scene as well.
Maybe when the police get around to it they will stack the charges up so this driver will learn to look in their mirror BEFORE opening the door.
A friend hit the ditch to avoid being run over by a texter. Soft tissue damage kept him off work for several months because his job didn't allow painkillers. No the driver didn't stop.
Sadly, you need to ensure there is some contact. Otherwise the system punishes you for missing them.
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Semantics. I didn't hit the horse/moose/deer. The horse/moose/deer hit me.
As long as there's contact you're ok. Lots of bikes have gone down in the process of avoiding a left Turner. If there is no contact, bike gets 100% at fault. If they touch, bike probably gets 0% at fault. Stupid rules but that's where we are.
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