Should men enter into marriage? Is it in their interest?

Should men get married today?

  • Yes

    Votes: 4 10.5%
  • No

    Votes: 23 60.5%
  • not sure

    Votes: 4 10.5%
  • maybe if the laws were applied equally

    Votes: 7 18.4%

  • Total voters
    38
So your argument is that courts and lawyers are expensive.

And to that I say duh.

The laws don't discriminate between men and women and this is a fact. It's up to you to hire a good lawyer. The situation can be reversed if the woman makes more money and THAT is my point. It just so happens that most men end up working while women take care of the household.

Know the law, know your rights, make the right decisions. Ignorance is no excuse.

let me make this sparklingly clear and simple for you: men make more money and tend to not go crazy when divorcing,
we are pre-disposed to lose in this process, so my advice, and that's what this thread is about, is to not participate

you've spoken at length about your wonderful and equal marriage, for your sake you better keep it that way, because with
your level of naivety, if things go sideways you're gonna be hit by a freight train
 
I'm getting married to a woman that recognizes a patriarchy in her household. She grew up in a patriarchy & also a conservative. I think I got lucky.
 
Spent 7 years in the courts. Couldn't be less naive about the reality of the system.

Not one of you has demonstrated inequality in the LAWS. All you can offer is anecdotal evidence...And I have to keep repeating that the situations can be flipped when the woman makes more. But men are idiots who put themselves in positions of weakness through ignorance. It's not the fault of the law.

So, is it worth the risk getting married for the average guy in the traditional male/female coupling. Yes or no? Are all the nos all over the western world misinformed?
 
The law.. as in the letter of the law. Not what happens in court when lawyers get involved. Sorry to hear you got the **** end of the stick, really. I never once said it doesn't happen.

People aren't catching the distinction.

Your problem is that you think what is printed is the law.

It isn't. Not when law is interpreted by the people in the system. Law is not the words written but rather the system of the words intermixed with people, agendas, bias, society views, etc.

Quit arguing that the law is fair when it isn't because it goes far past written words.
 
Sorry to hear you got the **** end of the stick, really.
No worries. It costed me extra few months of not getting freedom. I spent $0 because I represented myself.

I'm getting married to a woman that recognizes a patriarchy in her household. She grew up in a patriarchy & also a conservative. I think I got lucky.

That is awesome. I am dating someone who comes from exact background. I hope I can get lucky too. Still risky situation.
 
Everyone is happily married....till they are not. Then they wish they were "informed". Before that they are blissfully ignorant, either on purpose or not.
 
Your problem is that you think what is printed is the law.

It isn't. Not when law is interpreted by the people in the system. Law is not the words written but rather the system of the words intermixed with people, agendas, bias, society views, etc.

Quit arguing that the law is fair when it isn't because it goes far past written words.

I wonder how mmmnakeds posts would read if he were not married? Or how mine would be written if I was? This is eerily reminiscent of a political thread.
 
Was divorced very young - but whilst waiting outside the court room, had a conversation with a more mature man sitting next to me. He asked me about my divorce and I told him that we were just 'getting divorced' and that neither of us had anything of value but our jobs and that we didn't have children. Well...then he told me his story. Wow. Just wow. His wife cheated on him with some dude, had a drug habit, they had two kids and he was facing alimony, child support, paying for her drug treatment, all of the court costs and she would likely get the house, car and everything else. He lost his cool and put his fist through a door in the house at some point - so he was under a restraining order and couldn't even speak to her or the kids or he'd go to jail.

I know. I know. Anecdotal. Fellas...lemme splain how life in modern times works: (1) Man bad. (2) Woman good. That's it. That's all you gotta know. That's how the world works. All of civilization was built by men. All of the money to finance civilization was born off the backs of men's blood, sweat and tears. All of the rights and privileges women have over men today were bought and paid for through the exploitation, usury, disposal and trafficking of men for women's advancement, by women and the state.

There's only one rule you have to remember, so listen up: Never give a woman or the state any level of legal, emotional, financial, physical or spiritual power over your life, because if you do, they will surely make you pay and pay dearly.

Women make the babies, boyz. All that ***** you hear about men ruling the world? Subterfuge. Psychobabble. Women have always ruled the world. Why? Men are born naive and foolish. Women are born cunning and crafty. It's just the way things are. You can fight it...or learn to work around it. Your choice.
 
let me make this sparklingly clear and simple for you: men make more money and tend to not go crazy when divorcing,
we are pre-disposed to lose in this process, so my advice, and that's what this thread is about, is to not participate

Newsflash: I agree with you fully.

Men put themselves in the position. You can't blame the law, because it doesn't make a distinction between the sexes. Get it?

If you marry a rich chick you can take half of her stuff too! It's uncommon, because like you said men tend to make more money, but the law itself allows for the opposite result. That's all I'm arguing.
 
...The laws don't discriminate between men and women and this is a fact. It's up to you to hire a good lawyer. The situation can be reversed if the woman makes more money and THAT is my point. It just so happens that most men end up working while women take care of the household. ....

The laws don't discriminate, but they are presided over people and they have biases.

I know a couple that IS on the flip side of the norm. She made more $$$ than he did and when she called for a divorce, he said he was gonna take her for all he could "for the team". Though I'm betting it still not as much as it would have been had it been reversed to the norm.
 
Your problem is that you think what is printed is the law.

It isn't. Not when law is interpreted by the people in the system. Law is not the words written but rather the system of the words intermixed with people, agendas, bias, society views, etc.

Quit arguing that the law is fair when it isn't because it goes far past written words.
I know this! The letter of the law is all we can do as far as legislation goes. The letter of the law does not make distinction between the sexes.

What you can do as a man is educate yourself and make the best choice you can for yourself, that's all. Ignorance of the law is no excuse. I don't understand how guys can still get blindsided by divorce proceedings...Do these men live in caves? When lawyers get involved, everyone is ******.
 
Men are programed to be white knights for the most part. Sure there's equality, until it works in her favor not to be equal. Then she becomes the damsel in distress that need saving from the black knight. White get tainted pretty quick to black.
 
Spent 7 years in the courts. Couldn't be less naive about the reality of the system.

Not one of you has demonstrated inequality in the LAWS. All you can offer is anecdotal evidence...And I have to keep repeating that the situations can be flipped when the woman makes more. But men are idiots who put themselves in positions of weakness through ignorance. It's not the fault of the law.

I'll give you some anecdotal evidence, seeing how I don't have any relevant courtroom experience. I have 3 sisters, 2 now divorced. Over the years I'm privy to discussions among them and their social circle. The men in their lives are not respected, they are a utility at best. And not a good one because measured against a false ideal. One guy with a seemingly stable marriage fell off a ladder cleaning "her" eaves troughs on the house "he" paid for. Him, suffering a spot of brain damage it wasn't long before the question of is she better off with him or without him? Nice. She toughed it out, he recovered enough to be employable again so the marriage is back to stable. Sigh. By rights he should now toss her except beta.
 
Newsflash: I agree with you fully.

Men put themselves in the position. You can't blame the law, because it doesn't make a distinction between the sexes. Get it?

If you marry a rich chick you can take half of her stuff too! It's uncommon, because like you said men tend to make more money, but the law itself allows for the opposite result. That's all I'm arguing.

so why you doing all the arguing if we agree? :)

but really in these things it rarely gets to the law, after the children issues are taken care of,
family law beyond the kids is still civil law, much of which is conducted outside of the courtroom

and while men almost always just want it over and to move on, women are given poor advice from
the friend network, and then are further enabled to do awful things they would not normally do, by the lawyer

and as for why men are blindsided by this and have to play catch-up, because your honey has been scheming
for around a year before you get a wiff of a problem, so we start off behind
 
I'll give you some anecdotal evidence, seeing how I don't have any relevant courtroom experience. I have 3 sisters, 2 now divorced. Over the years I'm privy to discussions among them and their social circle. The men in their lives are not respected, they are a utility at best. And not a good one because measured against a false ideal. One guy with a seemingly stable marriage fell off a ladder cleaning "her" eaves troughs on the house "he" paid for. Him, suffering a spot of brain damage it wasn't long before the question of is she better off with him or without him? Nice. She toughed it out, he recovered enough to be employable again so the marriage is back to stable. Sigh. By rights he should now toss her except beta.
Can't count how many times I've listened to wannabe-macho men talk trash about their wives, or how they don't have to lift a finger at home because they're "men" etc etc. The pendulum swings both ways.
 
Was divorced very young - but whilst waiting outside the court room, had a conversation with a more mature man sitting next to me. He asked me about my divorce and I told him that we were just 'getting divorced' and that neither of us had anything of value but our jobs and that we didn't have children. Well...then he told me his story. Wow. Just wow. His wife cheated on him with some dude, had a drug habit, they had two kids and he was facing alimony, child support, paying for her drug treatment, all of the court costs and she would likely get the house, car and everything else. He lost his cool and put his fist through a door in the house at some point - so he was under a restraining order and couldn't even speak to her or the kids or he'd go to jail.

I know. I know. Anecdotal. Fellas...lemme splain how life in modern times works: (1) Man bad. (2) Woman good. That's it. That's all you gotta know. That's how the world works. All of civilization was built by men. All of the money to finance civilization was born off the backs of men's blood, sweat and tears. All of the rights and privileges women have over men today were bought and paid for through the exploitation, usury, disposal and trafficking of men for women's advancement, by women and the state.

There's only one rule you have to remember, so listen up: Never give a woman or the state any level of legal, emotional, financial, physical or spiritual power over your life, because if you do, they will surely make you pay and pay dearly.

Women make the babies, boyz. All that ***** you hear about men ruling the world? Subterfuge. Psychobabble. Women have always ruled the world. Why? Men are born naive and foolish. Women are born cunning and crafty. It's just the way things are. You can fight it...or learn to work around it. Your choice.

People need to be heard, get things off the chest so to speak. Moving around from construction job to job I meet at least one guy with a tale of woe. I didn't used to be overly sympathetic, I call that my awkward mmmnaked stage, but took notes nonetheless. Anecdotal, so sue me.
 
Can't count how many times I've listened to wannabe-macho men talk trash about their wives, or how they don't have to lift a finger at home because they're "men" etc etc. The pendulum swings both ways.

yup
 
People need to be heard, get things off the chest so to speak. Moving around from construction job to job I meet at least one guy with a tale of woe. I didn't used to be overly sympathetic, I call that my awkward mmmnaked stage, but took notes nonetheless. Anecdotal, so sue me.
Spent some time at sites myself ;-)

Listened to lots of sloppy drunk drywallers moan about their wives leaving them. Couldn't for the life of me figure out why!! They seemed successful and very well put together. Lol
 
here's an anecdote for you boys, friend of mine is a pilot, around 10 years ago was flying a C130
in Afghanistan for 12 month deployment, had been married to great gal for around 15 years,

he got home and she asked for a heart to heart chat, asked him for some space and suggested he move
out for a trial separation, he agreed, packed a bag and went to stay at a friends place to give his wife some time,
of course she had her legal strategy all lined up, filed in family court for abandonment,
was awarded full custody of the 3 kids and the house, the cop she had been shagging immediately moved in and there was not a damn thing he could do about any of it

the insanity is still going on 10 years later, though he pays the child support per the 2011 tables,
and she was awarded 70% of his income for the next 15 years, it's still not enough for her,
latest tactic was she sent a video of their daughter holding a running chain saw over his antique
desk, given to him by his grandmother,

the teenage boys were old enough to not get caught up in the insanity,
but the daughter being younger is fully infected and participates with Mom in the campaign
to completely ruin her Dad

all this from a woman that while I knew her appeared to be a fantastic mother and wife
 
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