Should men enter into marriage? Is it in their interest?

[-D-]

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Well the simple answer is this is a classic "I am a victim" beta male GTAM thread. Someone wants a pat on the back and someone to say "it is OK, you are the victim, society has wronged you" and they get mad at any other opinion.

In the end there is extremely little chance a women will get pregnant if the man doesn't want to be a dad and is willing to do his part (already covered). Now if the man is stupid and takes chances, well that is another thing altogether--and it is/was a choice to be stupid. Always corner cases (immaculate conception, some Joseph guy got screwed over, should have went on Maury...) but very few and far between. (BTW, the male and female roles can be flipped and it is still true).

As for marriage, it is also a choice. The possible outcomes are well known so I have no sympathy for someone who enters said contract and it does not work out well for them because of the known possible legal outcomes. Marry someone who has the same "station" in life as you do you minimize the risk to almost zero. If as a beta male everything scares you, well I guess you have to live with that--but make your choices accordingly (and don't expect society to take care of you).

Life is about choices boys and girls, make them wisely. In the wise words of Forest Gump's mother "stupid is as stupid does."

The only possible true victims in this thread are the children, they didn't make any of the stupid decisions.

You come in hurling insults without focusing on the topic.
Did you watch the videos?
The case is being made by women in those videos that it is not in the best interest of men to get married due to the repercussions of the legal system and biased application of the laws.

But since you posted...Are you telling us that a 16-22 year old KNOWS the deal they are entering into getting married.
Are you one of those ppl that tell teenagers just say no to sex (problem solved)?

 

[mmmnaked]

All I hear from D is deflection. Ignorance of the law is no excuse. If you're a dumbass you'll be in for a rude awakening upon divorce. Same goes for her. The laws are fair.

 

[WisestManOnEarth]

Am in the top 10% of income and asset holders in the US, so will never marry nor live with a woman again. Way too much to lose - and am far happier with my freedom than I ever was with a woman. Don't want to end up one of those rich guys that gets married and then gets taken to the cleaners by some lying gold digger. Not going to happen. Will gratefully die alone. Did it in the past, but was po then. Was divorced/broked up relatively po too, so it didn't count. Having a lot of experience, am now immune to life's illusions and enchantments (aka - marriage/love).

Unsurprisingly, there are blue-pill men in the thread, donning their white knight uniforms, insisting that men should quiver with joy at the idea of marriage - else immature/unmarriageable/cowards/small pee-pee/etc (common shaming tactics). Hilarious. Those are the future divorce rape suckers right there, ladies. Have at 'em. The womenz love their blue-pillers.

Only women benefit from marriage - despite what the lying stories in women's magazines and liberal news articles say (muh empowerment articles). Tis because they have the babies and need a body guard - which is why the vast majority of the dangerous, potentially life threatening jobs are done by men and manly lesbians and why we have a male-only draft in the lower 48. Tis also why women are given probation and suspended sentences while men are shuffled off to prison post-haste.

If I were a woman - given how the deck is heavily stacked in my favor - I'd have no problem with marriage. However, being a man, you'd have to pay me big bucks to even consider the notion - and I'd still be all like "nah". Marriage only benefits women and the state (taxes and new tax slaves). Men are just tricked into it via blue-pill preachers (one or two here) wanting to maintain the status quo and loving that forced wealth and power transfer from men to women and the state. Tis why the vast majority of alimony, asset division and child support flows from men to women (talking the US), why single men with no children have to have maternity coverage (and whatever other coverage they used to not pay for thanks to Obamacare) and why the majority of state and federal spending on health, education and welfare goes to women - even though men pay the majority of taxes and always have.

Tis a woman's world. Marriage only benefits women. Men that do it are just brain dead suckers like I once was. You have two choices: (1) get married and have your life ruined like tens upon tens of millions of men before you, which is why men commit suicide so often, or (2) stay single and free and take no ***** from nobody. Having done both, I feel pretty dang dumb ever having selected option (1) - which is why I'm the WisestManOnEarth and a firm believer in option (2).

 

[inreb]

Anybody who is married right now and no matter what financial status, jobs, children etc you have ask yourself this. What are the consequences if your partner decides it's over? Whether in the first year of marriage, tenth year or whenever. Your partner is tired of you, no other reason needed. No fault divorce. One of the partners is going to be in a position to check out with cash and prizes plus enjoy freedom. To assuage any guilt the losing partner must be branded negatively. If one of the partners was serial monogamous (ex. 5 monogamous 1yr. relationships) and your marriage is their 6th, well good luck with that. The reason marriages/committed relationships are in the mess they are now 50years after the summer of love is because free lovin' doesn't work. It worked great for men who tricked feminists into believing it's the go. Why buy the cow if you can get the milk for free? I've always felt women should have held men to a higher standard. Their greed and selfishness is their undoing. Notwithstanding any exceptions of course.

 

[mmmnaked]

Anybody who is married right now and no matter what financial status, jobs, children etc you have ask yourself this. What are the consequences if your partner decides it's over? ?

Sell our house , split the money 50/50. Get shared custody. Go separate ways. Done.

But my wife isn't unemployed. I married a girl with a career because I'm not a friggin moron.

 

[-D-]

Common law partners in Ontario cannot make property claims. Your post didn't say anything about marriage.

I'm quoting laws, you're spewing garbage. Sorry bud but you're the one consistently posting misinformation. You watched a YouTube video and got all horny about the subject for 10 minutes but none of your statements are rooted in fact.

Dude, you are full of crap. My scenario said married 1-3 years.
Go post the law for us where common law partners can't make that claim?
Make sure you clarify if you are speaking all of Canada or by individual Provinces.

Let's go common law of 1-3 years.
You are wrong again.
Done, discussing with someone that lives in their own reality.

 

[-D-]

Sell our house , split the money 50/50. Get shared custody. Go separate ways. Done.

But my wife isn't unemployed. I married a girl with a career because I'm not a friggin moron.

Thanks for proving my point, you do live in your own reality/bubble.
I did not deflect, I posted the views of some women for others to discuss.
You keep changing scenarios and interjecting your made up reality.

carry on, I am enjoying the laughs.
you tend to have good posts but then sometimes your posts go sideways (the earth is flat).:lmao:

 

[mmmnaked]

Dude, you are full of crap. My scenario said married 1-3 years.
Go post the law for us where common law partners can't make that claim?
Make sure you clarify if you are speaking all of Canada or by individual Provinces.

Let's go common law of 1-3 years.
You are wrong again.
Done, discussing with someone that lives in their own reality.

COMMON LAW PARTNERS IN ONTARIO HAVE NO RIGHTS TO CLAIM PROPERTY.

Read the ******* family law act and stop being so ignorant.

 

[mmmnaked]

Thanks for proving my point, you do live in your own reality/bubble.
I did not deflect, I posted the views of some women for others to discuss.
You keep changing scenarios and interjecting your made up reality.

carry on, I am enjoying the laughs.
you tend to have good posts but then sometimes your posts go sideways (the earth is flat).:lmao:

Equal earners. Shared matrimonial home.

Read the law and stop watching YouTube.

 

[inreb]

Sell our house , split the money 50/50. Get shared custody. Go separate ways. Done.

But my wife isn't unemployed. I married a girl with a career because I'm not a friggin moron.

Well, if you're in a 50/50 situation and everything works out evenly financially, you've got that covered but you're still divorced and your kid has divorced parents. I'd still consider that a loss overall. Like I said before you don't get married because you want to be divorced. Be that as it may the vast majority of women are hypergamous which means they will only mate with higher than themselves status males. That's why the flow of assets is in one direction post divorce plus you're divorced and rejected. Women initiate most divorces because simple arithmatic. If the math didn't favour it they wouldn't do it as often. If this doesn't apply to you that's great.

 

[mmmnaked]

Well, if you're in a 50/50 situation and everything works out evenly financially, you've got that covered but you're still divorced and your kid has divorced parents. I'd still consider that a loss overall. Like I said before you don't get married because you want to be divorced. Be that as it may the vast majority of women are hypergamous which means they will only mate with higher than themselves status males. That's why the flow of assets is in one direction post divorce plus you're divorced and rejected. Women initiate most divorces because simple arithmatic. If the math didn't favour it they wouldn't do it as often. If this doesn't apply to you that's great.

Of course it's bad for the kids. I don't intend to divorce. But if it happens, we're on equal footing.

 

[backmarkerducati]

You come in hurling insults without focusing on the topic.
Did you watch the videos?
The case is being made by women in those videos that it is not in the best interest of men to get married due to the repercussions of the legal system and biased application of the laws.

But since you posted...Are you telling us that a 16-22 year old KNOWS the deal they are entering into getting married.
Are you one of those ppl that tell teenagers just say no to sex (problem solved)?

When I was 16 I knew the deal, being informed should not be an exception it should be the rule. I am in the use protection and use your brain, be smart group. Again, if someone chooses to do something stupid, it was their choice. This is really not that complicated.

 

[-D-]

COMMON LAW PARTNERS IN ONTARIO HAVE NO RIGHTS TO CLAIM PROPERTY.

Read the ****ing family law act and stop being so ignorant.

damn, ok you are moving into reality.
notice you only posted ONTARIO...uhm how about the rest of Canada?...don't count?
since you KNOW the family laws because you said I am ignorant...
now you tell us what a title claim to property is...post up, waiting to see

oh btw- you are skipping over something very important here...attorneys are involved, you are in a court...how much is that costing because there was no traffic cop looking at the paper work and saying, NO, not valid, case closed....you have to go through the system and pay $400-$1000 per hour for a lawyer...so do you now blow $25k to defend or settle for $50k-$100k and move on...you think at the end that you will win and the judge says ok, he won, everyone return his money and time and stress...man you are funny....another one of your flat earth type posts.:lmao:

 

[backmarkerducati]

Equal earners. Shared matrimonial home.

Read the law and stop watching YouTube.

This thread is really freaking me out, I am in almost complete agreement with mmmnaked!

 

[mungo]

The. Laws. Are. Equal.

Equal is not necessarily fair. And, the argument can be made that family law can be neither equal nor fair. The women in that article were specifically saying that it's not fair.

If men wanna protect themselves they should marry an equal earner. End of discussion, really.

or

Hey guess what? If you think its unfair, don't friggin do it.

Which is the topic of this tread. And, from what I understand, the trend is showing young men are simply choosing not to do it. So the question becomes why... and specifically, is the reason why because younger men see it as too risky.

I do know some couples who have "made it" but they are all from earlier generations who had a different idea of what a marriage was supposed to be and they went in with different expectations.

 

[mmmnaked]

damn, ok you are moving into reality.
notice you only posted ONTARIO...uhm how about the rest of Canada?...don't count?
since you KNOW the family laws because you said I am ignorant...
now you tell us what a title claim to property is...post up, waiting to see

oh btw- you are skipping over something very important here...attorneys are involved, you are in a court...how much is that costing because there was no traffic cop looking at the paper work and saying, NO, not valid, case closed....you have to go through the system and pay $400-$1000 per hour for a lawyer...so do you now blow $25k to defend or settle for $50k-$100k and move on...you think at the end that you will win and the judge says ok, he won, everyone return his money and time and stress...man you are funny....another one of your flat earth type posts.:lmao:

The laws are equal.

You keep posting up anecdotal BS.

Any claim a woman can make, so can a man.

 

[inreb]

Of course it's bad for the kids. I don't intend to divorce. But if it happens, we're on equal footing.

Noted. To be on equal footing is a good thing. I have yet to meet a woman equal or wealthier than myself who will have me. In my 30's and 40's there was no shortage of under remunerated women currying(sp?) my favour. 10-20 years on I'd have everything to lose.

 

[-D-]

Of course it's bad for the kids. I don't intend to divorce. But if it happens, we're on equal footing.

divorce is not always bad for kids
if the 2 adults do things properly, kid would not really feel the impact and grow up to learn the life lesson and how to do things properly should they end up in that situation (55-60%+ divorce rate today)

if they are young under 7 even teens
do you want kids to see 2 ppl fighting?
do you want kids to see what a loveless marriage looks like?
do you want kids to be in an emotional/physical abusive environment crazy mother/father?

 

[bakaboy]

Any woman who is surprised by the laws is just as ignorant as half the men in this discussion.

The. Laws. Are. Equal.

If men wanna protect themselves they should marry an equal earner. End of discussion, really.

In your experience you see what you think is fair treatment.

In my limited sample size of friends they are not fair.

Not fair in terms of money or child custody.

Personally I have seen a mother refuse to give the father any access to a child despite additional court orders. And when pressed on the matter the judge answered that he could not put the mother of the child in jail. While the same day threatening the father with jail time if he did not continue with child support payments (he had stopped making payments since he was given no access). It has now been 7 years of payments and he hasn't seen the kid.

Anyone who has spent any time in family Court knows that it is not a fair balance in court.

 

[-D-]

This thread is really freaking me out, I am in almost complete agreement with mmmnaked!

you are getting freaked out because of a thread?

great, hope things work out for you guys
he keeps posting bs information and his reality

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