Now we can debate the real topic at hand rather than getting wrapped up around semantics.
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Now we can debate the real topic at hand rather than getting wrapped up around semantics.
Because CULTURAL change takes generations, not just a decade.
You seriously dont see a problem with this kind of thinking?
"I know nothing about X. But we should ban X."
LOL because the subject is Y!
BTW I'm not saying that we should ban anything, but that the US should restrict more weapons.
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No it isn't, stop being obtuse. You're talking about cultural change, that's fine, but it has to start with a very specific set of rules and regulations regarding firearms, SUBJECT X.
"Ban guns" does nothing, and will always do nothing. If that's the crux of your cause then you, and other anti-gun people, are in serious trouble. Do yourself a favour and become informed about firearms, so that your cause will go further.
"Ban guns" does nothing, and will always do nothing. If that's the crux of your cause then you, and other anti-gun people, are in serious trouble. Do yourself a favour and become informed about firearms, so that your cause will go further.
Disqualified from what?A topic on a mc forum.Sigh,wintertime
Never mind....saw your sig.
Disqualified from being taken seriously by anyone in this discussion. If you don't care to KNOW anything about the firearms then you obviously aren't interested enough in the subject to have an opinion anyone will take seriously. Just my opinion. Ignorance doesn't help anybody.
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WTF -Cultural? is this what Canada is doing? for eff sakes I recommend the politicians and bureacrats of today go with open hands to washington saying they will relinquish Canada to the US for 2 Trillion Dollars and have the money deposited into a swiss bank account. Perhaps, then Canada can carve out an Identity within the US instead being window Critics. As the media has stated, the US is printing 65 billion a month until their unemployment is down to 6%. Oh what is Canada doing, having a provincial premier summit looking for ways to double and tripple the CPP premiums paid by working people to enhance benefits for the retiring Baby Boomers. Awwww, life is more expensive for you retirees because your solution was mass immigration to drive down wages and the inverse inflate living costs so you now need more to live the life so to speak. The printed 2 trillion ought to be enough to buy annuity for every retiree going forward and make the elite politicians and bureacrats multimillionaires in the process. It is quite clear how Canada is operating and is operating they have little interest in a Canadian Culture.
No, it doesn't have to start with anything. Gun restrictions are just one means to help achieve the goals.
A culture is defined by its laws but also its institutions, media, customs, language. The entire discussion needs to be about the way the US celebrates its military history (independance day, rememberance day), about its rhetoric (like how Sarah Palin talked about "taking out" Democrat senators along with a map with gunsights on their district), its militant foreign policy, its glorification of violence in movies and games, its incarceration rate, "War on..." everything, and of course it's gun laws.
I'm not a specialist in any of these areas but I know how they all interact to create a culture of violence. There's no denying that the US is severley overrepresented in all sorts of crime stats for developed nations around the world. If that's OK with you then fine, but to me that's a problem that needs to be solved. Especially before it spreads to us by ignorant gun lovers on this side of the border.
I agree with and don't have a problem with most of that. American culture, politics, media, and foreign relations leave a lot to be desired. They're trending in a downward spiral.
Do I think much should or can be done right now about firearms in their country? No. They already have 300+ million guns. I think they should close some loopholes and start spending more money on ensuring accurate data is reported to sellers when conducting criminal and medical background checks; the latter being particularly ineffective currently.
"Assault" weapon bans and other similar tactics? Symbolic appeasement at best. Alienating and further dividing an already divided nation and political climate.
Do I think much should or can be done right now about firearms in their country? No. They already have 300+ million guns. I think they should close some loopholes and start spending more money on ensuring accurate data is reported to sellers when conducting criminal and medical background checks; the latter being particularly ineffective currently.
"Assault" weapon bans and other similar tactics? Symbolic appeasement at best. Alienating and further dividing an already divided nation and political climate.
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Perhaps you may need to read the KJV of the old testament. When you are done, have a look at the Romans and their 1000 year reign. If you are still unclear about human history, Read about Europe during the middle ages. You can't blame the US for world history nor can you punish a society for bad apples. The way to irradicate the bad apples is with good apples. Fight fire with fire. Canadians live a repressive life because of the politicians and bureacrats. 50 and over, you are racing, and lose your license. Go south of the border, and you are clipping along at 150 kph along with everyone else, do that in Ontario, you are to be scorned and your license stipped from you. If anything, I now have a deeper regard for law enforcement in US, as they truly are in harms way when they approach people and scenes of crime. I have less regard for Ontario Law enforcement. They get paid twice as much as their US counterparts and do half the job. To be fair, it's not the law enforcements fault the politicians have made Ontario a nation of nit(s).
I don't know the who or how of gun purchasing in the US, but I'd tend to think like you that it would be more effective to tightly control who can purchase guns rather than what they can purchase. But gun restrictions can help too IMO.
This was a link that Wingboy refered to earlier, a self-proclaimed liberal gun lover. http://kontradictions.wordpress.com...ew-the-assault-weapons-ban-well-ill-tell-you/
He offers a few descriptions with pictures (for the ignorant like me) of what would and wouldn't fall under the assault weapons restriction. And he finds it ridiculous that the distinction between what is and isn't allowed seems to come down to a large extend to the looks of the gun. But this precisely addresses the problem of the romanticisation and glamourisation of gun ownership while still allowing people to own almost identical guns. Looking at it from the perspective of a knowledgeable gun enthusiast, it makes no sense. But from a cultural violence perspective, it does make sense.
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Ha, if people needed to know things to have an opinion, a good 90 % of the posts to me would be removed.
I own a house in Arizona, the heart of open carry handguns and more gun shops than shoe stores. When the second amendmant was written the gun of the day was a single shot musket and a handgun hand with one round and an effective range of about 15ft.
(thats why dueling was 10 paces)
Guns evolved, the rules didnt. Only when there is a large term pressure for reform will there be change, it wont happen in our near future it will probably be the next generation.
The western solution is arm all the teachers and support staff, it makes for polite society. You'll see change but it will be years away.
(thats why dueling was 10 paces)
Guns evolved, the rules didnt. Only when there is a large term pressure for reform will there be change, it wont happen in our near future it will probably be the next generation.
The western solution is arm all the teachers and support staff, it makes for polite society. You'll see change but it will be years away.
Maybe there should be a law against killing.. That would stop all those school shootings and stuff
That's the worst possible scenario... The reason the Americans put the 2nd amendment into their constitution was that they are a nation now because of personal firearm ownership and the ability to raise local militias. That is also the reason why in Switzerland, your average Johann Schmohann has an actual assault rifle stashed away in his pantry - should Hans or Boris attack, Johann is ready to send him cryin' home to momma. That is also the reason why the US was unable to invade Cuba - local citizen militias got organized, spotted the invaders, alerted the military and held them back until the army showed up, killed some, sold the rest back to the US for farm machinery.
In addition to that, I wouldn't absolutely trust the police and the army. Milosevic used them as a tool to control dissent. He even sent cops to escort his goons who tampered with the ballots. The only unmonitored rural ridings where his party did not win any seats were the ones where armed citizens stood guard until the elections officials came to pick up the ballot boxes. If you think it can't happen in North America, you know nothing about human nature. Florida
They didn't have to. The reasons for the rule remain the same and the law-abiding citizen should still have access to an effective firearm of the day should he choose to own one. By the way, 10 paces for each shooter is close to 60 feet total, which is 4x the effective range as per crankcall.. Does that mean that gun duels put an end to dueling deaths?
Of course the rules for gun ownership have evolved and have shown a need to in the past. The right of the people to keep and bear arms does not necessarily mean Joe Citizen should have the right to own any effective firearm as he pleases on the day he chooses to own one. That's why licenses, restrictions, and paperwork exists for different classes of weapons. The rise in gangster violence in the 1930s led to a restriction on pen and cane guns and other weapons defined as gangster weapons. The assassination of JFK helped to push new federal legislation that restricted mail order rifles and shotguns along with broadening the list of prohibited peoples from owning guns to include convicted felons, drug users, and the mentally incompetent.
The militia presence was a small token resistance and it wasn't long before the invaders overtook them.
Sure the militias had a role, but let's not forget it wasn't just them. The resistance was ultimately led by a Castro commanded military force which included tanks, anti-aircraft guns and all the other cool Soviet built toys back in that era. It was Cuban government artillery, tanks and infantry that forced Brigade 2506 to retreat to the beaches. It was fire from Cuban tanks that forced US Destroyers to withdraw and leave the invading forces stranded.
Sure, the militias may have spotted the initial landing party but the Cubans knew this was coming through their security network. Let's not also forget the influence and assistance from the KGB. Back in 2000, it was reported that the CIA knew that the Soviets were aware of the date of the invasion but failed to inform Kennedy.
The militia presence was a small token resistance and it wasn't long before the invaders overtook them.
Sure the militias had a role, but let's not forget it wasn't just them. The resistance was ultimately led by a Castro commanded military force which included tanks, anti-aircraft guns and all the other cool Soviet built toys back in that era. It was Cuban government artillery, tanks and infantry that forced Brigade 2506 to retreat to the beaches. It was fire from Cuban tanks that forced US Destroyers to withdraw and leave the invading forces stranded.
Sure, the militias may have spotted the initial landing party but the Cubans knew this was coming through their security network. Let's not also forget the influence and assistance from the KGB. Back in 2000, it was reported that the CIA knew that the Soviets were aware of the date of the invasion but failed to inform Kennedy.
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Trampled to death.
http://www.ranker.com/list/13-most-brutal-black-friday-injuries-and-deaths/john-barryman
Guns Save lives.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...ng-sears-black-friday-shoppers_n_2177293.html
What was interesting is the police did not look for ways to lay charges as they say the man pointed the gun towards the ground. If this was in Ontario I guarantee the police would have twisted things to arrest the guy. That's is just how Canada rolls.
http://www.ranker.com/list/13-most-brutal-black-friday-injuries-and-deaths/john-barryman
Guns Save lives.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...ng-sears-black-friday-shoppers_n_2177293.html
What was interesting is the police did not look for ways to lay charges as they say the man pointed the gun towards the ground. If this was in Ontario I guarantee the police would have twisted things to arrest the guy. That's is just how Canada rolls.
Is it just me or has there been an increase in reported armed home invasions in and around Toronto?
A few weeks back some dumb kid got shot in a house in Mississauga during a break-in... since then I think I've heard 3 or 4 similar occurances including one last night in Vaughan where some armed thugs broke into an elderly couples house at 4am?
Damn if that kinda stuff doesn't make you want to keep a gun near your bed, I don't know what would.
A few weeks back some dumb kid got shot in a house in Mississauga during a break-in... since then I think I've heard 3 or 4 similar occurances including one last night in Vaughan where some armed thugs broke into an elderly couples house at 4am?
Damn if that kinda stuff doesn't make you want to keep a gun near your bed, I don't know what would.
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"America had 11,000 gun-related homicides in 2008. Japan had 11.
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"America had 11,000 gun-related homicides in 2008. Japan had 11.
Does anyone know if they play video games in Japan?"
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