Shooting in Connecticut

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Boom King said:
The AR-15 rifle the shooter used is a demilitarized version of the M16 and falls under the US federal definition of "semiautomatic assault weapon". Hence, why I referred to it as a SAW. This terminology has been used by the ATF and in the Semiautomatic Assault Weapon (SAW) ban 1994. So accuse me of using incorrect terminology and being the opposite of knowledgeable if you want but I guess you better go impart some of your wisdom to boys at the ATF as well. Sure, it is not full auto but fitted with a large capacity magazine, it's purposes go beyond just mere hunting and sport. Some US States actually ban the .223 for big game hunting.
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You're ignorant. SAW stands for Squad Automatic Weapon... it's a light machine-gun, NOTHING to do with a semi-auto rifle such as the AR15.

And .223 is banned for big game hunting because its INHUMANE. If a bullet can't kill the animal in one shot, it shouldn't be used. It's like going on an elephant hunt with a slingshot and paperclips.
 
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Boom King said:
I'm not sure where this whole talk about immigrants came into play but the shooter was a white kid from USA suburban paradise. This kid was midly autistic and a social outcast who had access to a SAW; a weapon designed for annihilation. He also had practice at the shooting range. Stick a lowly paid police officer in the school if you want but a person with a SAW who knows how to use it and is intent on killing is not the same foe as someone with a handgun. If you don't like Canada's laws and living with the "scum bags", go move to the good ole' US of A. We don't need their customs and problems here. Canada decided its loyalty long ago.
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Well said.This thread is good without the insults please.
 
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mmmnaked said:
This isn't open to interpretation. In military and firearm land (aka, the topic of discussion) SAW stands for Squad Automatic Weapon.
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Ah. Only military and fireamlanders get to debate the merits of gun laws. Please, forgive us all for polluting your gun worshiping thread.
 
fastar1 said:
Ah. Only military and fireamlanders get to debate the merits of gun laws. Please, forgive us all for polluting your gun worshiping thread.
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Read the post I was replying to.
 
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I'd like to know when it became okay for ignorant people to make decisions on any given subject? How can we (gun owners) take any of you anti-gun people seriously when you can't even demonstrate ANY practical, technical knowledge about firearms?

I don't expect everyone to know everything, but jeez, take it upon yourselves to become better informed about the subject which you're so fiercely engaged in. If everything you know about big bad evil guns comes from CNN, there's a serious problem here.
 
mmmnaked said:
You're ignorant. SAW stands for Squad Automatic Weapon... it's a light machine-gun, NOTHING to do with a semi-auto rifle such as the AR15.
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http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/saws-and-lcafds.html#saw-ban-permanence

The term SAW (semiautomatic assault rifle) has been used quite often in the debates down in the US since the shootings because the AR-15 would in theory have fallen under the now expired SAW ban. SAW as in squad assault weapon would make no sense here since full automatic weapons are illegal unless they were bought and registered pre 1986.
 
farstar1 I searched that document for "SAW" and didn't find a single instance.

In case you still don't get it, Im talking about the ACRONYM standing for Squad Automatic Weapon... I'm not talking about semi-automatic assault rifles not existing. Although an assault rifle, by military definition, needs to be select-fire. But that's another topic.
 
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mmmnaked said:
I'd like to know when it became okay for ignorant people to make decisions on any given subject? How can we (gun owners) take any of you anti-gun people seriously when you can't even demonstrate ANY practical, technical knowledge about firearms?

I don't expect everyone to know everything, but jeez, take it upon yourselves to become better informed about the subject which you're so fiercely engaged in. If everything you know about big bad evil guns comes from CNN, there's a serious problem here.
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I could ask you the same about your understanding of culture.

But I find it funny how the gun defenders cry freedom when new restrictions are proposed, but when a vast majority are in favour of those restrictions, all of a sudden their freedom doesn't matter any more.
 
mmmnaked said:
I'd like to know when it became okay for ignorant people to make decisions on any given subject? How can we (gun owners) take any of you anti-gun people seriously when you can't even demonstrate ANY practical, technical knowledge about firearms?

I don't expect everyone to know everything, but jeez, take it upon yourselves to become better informed about the subject which you're so fiercely engaged in. If everything you know about big bad evil guns comes from CNN, there's a serious problem here.
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It became ok for myself when i started on this keyboard with my comments.
Most of everything i know about guns comes from when i was kid shooting at a tin can at my uncles place.Doesn't make me an expert for sure.But i know the difference between single,semi and auto tho.That is how i make my decision.I wouldn't know an ar15 if it fell on my head.I don't need to.Maybe the title of this should be "Killings in Connecticut".
 
Boom King said:
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/saws-and-lcafds.html#saw-ban-permanence

The term SAW (semiautomatic assault rifle) has been used quite often in the debates down in the US since the shootings because the AR-15 would in theory have fallen under the now expired SAW ban. SAW as in squad assault weapon would make no sense here since full automatic weapons are illegal unless they were bought and registered pre 1986.
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They obviously, probably unknowingly, incorrectly chose to strap that abbreviation to 'semi-automatic assault weapon' which is absolutely bogus. A SAW, in firearms and military terms, is only one thing:

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fastar1 said:
I could ask you the same about your understanding of culture.

But I find it funny how the gun defenders cry freedom when new restrictions are proposed, but when a vast majority are in favour of those restrictions, all of a sudden their freedom doesn't matter any more.
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First of all, no new restrictions are being proposed in Canada so my rights remain perfectly in-tact. Secondly, this has nothing to do with culture. In fact, going by the US numbers of 300+ million firearms and 40-50% household gun ownership, I'd say their culture very much IS about the gun. We Canadians don't get a say in it.

Lastly, YOUR freedom isn't being infringed upon by MY ownership of a firearm. Banning guns means taking away rights and freedoms from 99.9% legal, safe, law-abiding individuals for the actions of a few mentally ill criminals.
 
Wingboy said:
I wouldn't know an ar15 if it fell on my head.I don't need to.
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If you're one of those who are calling for an "assault weapons ban" which would encompass the AR-15, I'd say you most definitely need to know something about the rifle.

Ignorance driving emotional knee-jerk legislation? When was that ever a prudent thing to do?
 
I'd be happy to see weapons banned alltogeter except for police and military.I don't need to be an expert about firearms to make my decision.
 
Thus, ignorant.

Thanks for disqualifying yourself so eagerly.
 
mmmnaked said:
They obviously, probably unknowingly, incorrectly chose to strap that abbreviation to 'semi-automatic assault weapon' which is absolutely bogus.
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Don't get so twisted around terminology here and lose sight of the argument being debated down in the US around bringing back the ban on Semiautomatic Assault Weapons. When there's a debate around that topic and someone throws the word SAW out, interpret it in the context of the discussion at hand and you'll understand what they mean. The debate is not around squad automatic weapons. I even saw a US military service member on TV refer to the rifle used as a SAW. Obviously, everyone in that discussion knew what he meant by that. Congress knows what is meant by that:

http://congressionalresearch.com/RL32585/document.php?study=Semiautomatic+Assault+Weapons+Ban
 
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The previous AWB went from 1994 to 2004. It didn't seem to do much the first time around... any politician who supports doing it again is only doing so to appease the ignorant masses, knowing that it wont actually make a lick of difference.
 
mmmnaked said:
First of all, no new restrictions are being proposed in Canada so my rights remain perfectly in-tact. Secondly, this has nothing to do with culture. In fact, going by the US numbers of 300+ million firearms and 40-50% household gun ownership, I'd say their culture very much IS about the gun. We Canadians don't get a say in it.

Lastly, YOUR freedom isn't being infringed upon by MY ownership of a firearm. Banning guns means taking away rights and freedoms from 99.9% legal, safe, law-abiding individuals for the actions of a few mentally ill criminals.
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1* Of course the discussion is about the US problem (which incidentally affects our access to guns as well but that's not the point).

2* In fact, the problem is ENTIRELY about culture. It's absolutely not about "I know what SAW stands for and you don't, and 22 caliber this and side-loading that, blah blah blah" dick waving bravado. And if you understood culture, you'd understand that we are actually having an impact on US culture with this very discussion, even in Canada!

3* MY freedom would be infringed upon if my views were dismissed because I can't tell a pistol from a handgun, such as you propose. Again, the discussion is about restricting access in the US. If we're not allowed to hold an opinion because we're Canadian then you can kindly exit the discussion.
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