Shooting in Connecticut

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jc100 said:
You know you're on a non-starter here. More creative means more difficult and the average unhinged whacko as opposed to a dedicated terrorist is not going to go there. A dedicated terrorist will always find some way of trying to reach his goal.

Removing the available equipment for certain types of attacks after the event means another event of that type is less possible. I'm not sure you'd argue that nothing be done would you?

I agree with you on another point that most knee-jerk reactions often don't have the desired effect but...there's plenty of evidence from around the world that some sensible regulation probably will.
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And the worst mass murders in history have still been committed without guns. The capable ones will find a way to kill no matter what we ban and the doofuses won't even become a statistical blip. You're for disarming the citizenry (which is harmful to the society in the long run) in order to combat what is realistically a non-threat. You'll save more lives by outlawing peanuts.
 
FiReSTaRT said:
And the worst mass murders in history have still been committed without guns. The capable ones will find a way to kill no matter what we ban and the doofuses won't even become a statistical blip. You're for disarming the citizenry (which is harmful to the society in the long run) in order to combat what is realistically a non-threat. You'll save more lives by outlawing peanuts.
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Harmful to society? Many civilised societies would heartily disagree with you on that one, they seem to be happy with an army and a police force rather than gung-ho vigilantes. Plus we're not trying to outlaw all mass murders...just the ones we could perhaps reduce with sensible legislation.

I'm assuming that you'd do nothing then?
 
jc100 said:
Harmful to society? Many civilised societies would heartily disagree with you on that one, they seem to be happy with an army and a police force rather than gung-ho vigilantes. Plus we're not trying to outlaw all mass murders...just the ones we could perhaps reduce with sensible legislation.

I'm assuming that you'd do nothing then?
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Police and the military are tools of the government. There are plenty of cases where a bad government turned those tools against the very people it's supposed to be protecting. Harder to do if a sizeable population has the means to defend themselves.

To do something meaningful about the violence south of the border you need better mental health care and a more equitable society. I'd like to have the politicians make themselves appear useful by facilitating ramping up security measures. Statistically it's gonna do nothing, but at least it won't cause significant harm.
 
jc100 said:
Harmful to society? Many civilised societies would heartily disagree with you on that one, they seem to be happy with an army and a police force rather than gung-ho vigilantes. Plus we're not trying to outlaw all mass murders...just the ones we could perhaps reduce with sensible legislation.

I'm assuming that you'd do nothing then?
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Last time I checked the shooter didn't LEGALLY own any guns. Please, do go on though how a piece of paper is going to protect you from whackos.
 
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RandomHero said:
Last time I checked the shooter didn't LEGALLY own any guns. Please, do go on though how a piece of paper is going to protect you from whackos.
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The funniest one they like to tout is the one on non-neutered mags. As if it's THAT difficult to unpin a mag or cut down an oversized follower. Requires very basic technical skills. If you've used a Dremel, you can do it. All that law does is interfere with sporting uses of firearms.
 
jc100 said:
Harmful to society? Many civilised societies would heartily disagree with you on that one, they seem to be happy with an army and a police force rather than gung-ho vigilantes. Plus we're not trying to outlaw all mass murders...just the ones we could perhaps reduce with sensible legislation.

I'm assuming that you'd do nothing then?
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What exactly is it you would do different in Canada? You did say "we could perhaps"

We have strict laws, no CCW, long cool off periods, psych interview, multiple references.... limited availability, limited capacity, limited safe use areas run by a staff and its members.... Which civilized society disagrees with us?

I don't want people CCW anyway so, other than the restrictions on some weapons I find stupid here I play the game, pay the fees, lock the stuff up and shoot while I have an active membership at a club.

Get used to it. Gun sales are going up here too.

Be happy we are not in the same situation as the US. It's lost control and can never get it back thanks to property law there. All they can do is say lock up (these) guns you can't leave your house with them.

How does that stop a nutter from taking his familys firearms?


What is it you would do that hasn't been done?

Bump the cost with more taxes, fees, admin?
 
D23 said:
What exactly is it you would do different in Canada? You did say "we could perhaps"

We have strict laws, no CCW, long cool off periods, psych interview, multiple references.... limited availability, limited capacity, limited safe use areas run by a staff and its members.... Which civilized society disagrees with us?

I don't want people CCW anyway so, other than the restrictions on some weapons I find stupid here I play the game, pay the fees, lock the stuff up and shoot while I have an active membership at a club.

Get used to it. Gun sales are going up here too.

Be happy we are not in the same situation as the US. It's lost control and can never get it back thanks to property law there. All they can do is say lock up (these) guns you can't leave your house with them.

How does that stop a nutter from taking his familys firearms?


What is it you would do that hasn't been done?

Bump the cost with more taxes, fees, admin?
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I'm fine with what goes on here. The discussion is more about our southern neighbours.
 
There's a big difference between gun control and a gun ban. People start talking about gun control laws and the pro gun bucnh start arguing a ban. There is nothing wrong with gun control laws being tightened, especially in the USA.

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I am not sure who is talking about banning guns, but closing the background check loopholes and things of that nature in the states are not crazy ideas. Everyone has a vested interest in restrictng gun ownership to the responsible ( even if that wouldn't necessarily have stopped this incident)

Let me put it another way, No we did not ban airplanes after 9/11, but we did tighten airport security and restricted access to many items in the cabin. While guns are not the root of the problem, they are part of the formula, and should be part of a multi faceted approach to solving the gun violence problem in the US, which i see as for the most part, a cultural issue.

Yes I agree generally that guns don't kill people, people do, but I am also cognizent of the fact that if all Monet had was a set of screwdrivers, his paintings would probably suck. Tools matter, because are the means with which crazy people turn their thoughts into reality,
 
OpenGambit said:
I am not sure who is talking about banning guns, but closing the background check loopholes and things of that nature in the states are not crazy ideas. Everyone has a vested interest in restrictng gun ownership to the responsible ( even if that wouldn't necessarily have stopped this incident)

Let me put it another way, No we did not ban airplanes after 9/11, but we did tighten airport security and restricted access to many items in the cabin. While guns are not the root of the problem, they are part of the formula, and should be part of a multi faceted approach to solving the gun violence problem in the US, which i see as for the most part, a cultural issue.

Yes I agree generally that guns don't kill people, people do, but I am also cognizent of the fact that if all Monet had was a set of screwdrivers, his paintings would probably suck. Tools matter, because are the means with which crazy people turn their thoughts into reality,
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everytime I read a post from Paul1000rr he is saying how bans don't work, ect. even firefart
;-P, keeps talking how bans don't work.

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oilycreek said:
everytime I read a post from Paul1000rr he is saying how bans don't work, ect. even firefart
;-P, keeps talking how bans don't work.

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When I said that I was talking about people who make policy not talking about gun bans, not the strawmen on this board.
 
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CruisnGrrl said:
While the NRA were calling for guns in schools another mass shooting happened with a couple state troopers as casualties.
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GEESYTOWN, PA.—State police say troopers have fatally shot a man who fled in a pickup truck after killing three people along a rural road in the U.S. state of Pennsylvania.

Spokeswoman Maria Finn says the suspect fired at troopers responding to Friday morning’s shootings.

The fleeing gunman then crashed head-on into a trooper’s car and got out of his truck and shot again at police, who returned fire and killed him.

District Attorney Richard Consiglio says the gunman killed two men and one woman.

Finn says one trooper was shot in his bulletproof vest and wrist. A second was struck by broken glass, and a third trooper was hurt in the car crash.

All are expected to recover.

The victims’ names haven’t been released.

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/a...olice-wounded-in-pennsylvania-shooting-report
 
If the NRA get there way by having armed guards in every school will the the guards have full body armour on? Will the next step be would be to have all the students, teachers and support staff to have full body amour? Just wondering......
 
gwelfmike said:
If the NRA get there way by having armed guards in every school will the the guards have full body armour on? Will the next step be would be to have all the students, teachers and support staff to have full body amour? Just wondering......
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Lol can't wait to see kids in kindergarten with body armor.
 
At least the US has kids, Canada is a failed country.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/02/08/canadian-birth-rate_n_1262259.html

"The anomaly is the United States, where the national rate exceeds 2.0, though regional rates vary widely across the country"

"Canada's birth rate is currently hovering around 1.67 children per woman, well below the minimum of 2.0 needed for natural population replacement."

Americans are a proud lot, and they will continue to grow their Country. Alot of where the world is, is because American innovation. Canada has failed to contribute on the world stage to garnish world respect. Perhaps Canada has to reevaluate its Attitude.

"At the current rate, if nothing changes, immigration — currently responsible for 67 per cent of Canada's population growth — could account for 80 per cent of growth within the next 20 years, and nearly 100 per cent by the year 2061, Statistics Canada says."

If this is Canada's future, Canada is pointless and it's time to Pursue a Union with the EU or the US.
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