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firearms debate is what its become in Conneticut , which has the third toughest regulations already. Hard part is the current regulations go state by state.
Since I talk to Americans every day, I'd like to mention they refer to an auto assault weapon as a saw, same as everybody had a skidoo regardless of what brand of snowmobile it was, now a sled. And a bike is a pushbike or a motorcycle depending on who you talk to. Its wording.

I'm staggered that gun shops on the eastern seaboard have sold out of assault style guns in the last two days, in the possibility of restrictions everybody and their sister bought out the stores.
 
crankcall said:
I'm staggered that gun shops on the eastern seaboard have sold out of assault style guns in the last two days, in the possibility of restrictions everybody and their sister bought out the stores.
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The panicking was bad enough before the elections.. Finally started dying down when he didn't enact any new firearm restrictions.. It's back on, now and badly affecting the supply situation here. Certain gun mags are going for a 300-500% markup and the guns themselves will go up in price too. Fortunately we can get our hands on some Chinese guns that are unavailable for sale in the US. Norinco people must be rubbing their hands.
 
Boom King said:
The quote in my prior post describing a "new SAW ban" actually were the words that came from a source at the National Shooting Sports Foundation. Pro gun lobbyists.
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Yes, it's a new term. Expect to be corrected every time you use it. I'll accept SAW as a legitimate acrnm if someone can quantify? Obviously it was coined to distinguish its self from an assault rifle so what is the definition then? For real. It's come up and it's been danced around but nobody has said exactly which rifles are and which are not. If an American is legally hunting with a semi automatic rifle, with scope and a 4 rnd limited magazine for small game, is he using a hunting rifle or an assault rifle or now... a SAW?
 
D23 said:
Yes, it's a new term. Expect to be corrected every time you use it. I'll accept SAW as a legitimate acrnm if someone can quantify? Obviously it was coined to distinguish its self from an assault rifle so what is the definition then? For real. It's come up and it's been danced around but nobody has said exactly which rifles are and which are not. If an American is legally hunting with a semi automatic rifle, with scope and a 4 rnd limited magazine for small game, is he using a hunting rifle or an assault rifle or now... a SAW?
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This is exactly why the Americans will have a heck of a time straightening this out. In the Southwest where i shoot its not uncommon to meet a guy with a Mcmillan Tac hunting coyotes , at that point I guess its a hunting rifle ( made in pheonix arizona). The newest medium range sniper guns, ,.338 are very popular with varmit hunters, long desert shots. All are bolt action.
You can hunt with a machine gun someplaces, every state has there own rules, you can have an M16 with a 30round clip and be hunting in GA, TX or AZ ,
currently in AZ you need to find an automatic made and registered prior to 1986. Local sherriff will herlp you get paperwork with BATF, they seem to support to idea. A modified A15 or an M16 sells for about 8k right now and they sell quickly.

It wont matter what anybody declares to be the correct term to be coined , eventually they may see a federal legislation, but probably not in our lifetime. West of the Mississippi except for California no one cares. And south of the Mason/Dixon line isnt a lot different.
 
crankcall said:
firearms debate is what its become in Conneticut , which has the third toughest regulations already. Hard part is the current regulations go state by state.
Since I talk to Americans every day, I'd like to mention they refer to an auto assault weapon as a saw, same as everybody had a skidoo regardless of what brand of snowmobile it was, now a sled. And a bike is a pushbike or a motorcycle depending on who you talk to. Its wording.

I'm staggered that gun shops on the eastern seaboard have sold out of assault style guns in the last two days, in the possibility of restrictions everybody and their sister bought out the stores.
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I was in the local gun shop Friday, the owner said it has been insane with sales and he can barely keep up. I noticed more "black" rifles in there than what he normally carries.
 
D23 said:
Yes, it's a new term. Expect to be corrected every time you use it. I'll accept SAW as a legitimate acrnm if someone can quantify? Obviously it was coined to distinguish its self from an assault rifle so what is the definition then? For real. It's come up and it's been danced around but nobody has said exactly which rifles are and which are not. If an American is legally hunting with a semi automatic rifle, with scope and a 4 rnd limited magazine for small game, is he using a hunting rifle or an assault rifle or now... a SAW?
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The AR-15 used in the Connecticut shooting and the Colorado theatre shooting fell under the old ban that ran from 1994-2004. Of course, manufacturers were able to expose loopholes by modifying the weapons so part of the question is how effective such a ban be? I would expect Senate and Congress looking at bringing back such a ban would be looking at these issues. The rest of the quoted email from Lawrence G. Keane, Senior Vice President, Assistant Secretary and General Counsel for the National Shooting Sports Foundation on a rumoured new "SAW ban":

"- - No pistol grip allowed
- - No HC Mags
- - No grandfathering
- - No sale permissible if in possession"
 
Boom King said:
The AR-15 used in the Connecticut shooting and the Colorado theatre shooting fell under the old ban that ran from 1994-2004. Of course, manufacturers were able to expose loopholes by modifying the weapons so part of the question is how effective such a ban be? I would expect Senate and Congress looking at bringing back such a ban would be looking at these issues. The rest of the quoted email from Lawrence G. Keane, Senior Vice President, Assistant Secretary and General Counsel for the National Shooting Sports Foundation on a rumoured new "SAW ban":

"- - No pistol grip allowed
- - No HC Mags
- - No grandfathering
- - No sale permissible if in possession"
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"No grandfathering" = MASS confiscations.. upwards of 100 million guns from probably 20 million people.

Good luck with that.
 
mmmnaked said:
"No grandfathering" = MASS confiscations.. upwards of 100 million guns from probably 20 million people.

Good luck with that.
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I wonder who their equivalent of Mike from Canmore is :cool:
 
mmmnaked said:
"No grandfathering" = MASS confiscations.. upwards of 100 million guns from probably 20 million people.

Good luck with that.
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Actually no need to grandfather or confiscate.

Ban on sale of new clips with more than 5 or 6 round capacity, any old clips cannot be legally sold, even resale and if you are caught with more than the 5 or 6 rounds in your large capacity clip outside of a range it is an automatic lifetime gun ban--all guns confiscated. You can decide if you want to go easy or hard.

Next for the assault weapons "AR15 style guns", no more sold, no resale (you have what you have). You need a special transport permit to have the gun anywhere but the range or your home. Takes away the day to day usefulness of the gun and most of the fun of ownership.

If you are caught selling used any of the above you have a lifetime gun ban, even if you are a shop.

Now many will slip through the cracks in used sales etc. for the short run, but this is completely workable and will give the ATF (and SWAT/ETF) something to do (go easy or go hard). Used legal market will be gone, black market will thrive for a while but will eventually die as people who still want one already have one.

No need for mass confiscation, just make it no fun to own for anyone but a collector.
 
You can rag on it all day, but between "gun bans" and "armed guards in schools" I'm fairly sure the latter would be 10x more effective.

Both are equally stupid, though.


ps. repeat after me: "magazine, not clip" "magazine, not clip"
 
mmmnaked said:
You can rag on it all day, but between "gun bans" and "armed guards in schools" I'm fairly sure the latter would be 10x more effective.

Both are equally stupid, though.


ps. repeat after me: "magazine, not clip" "magazine, not clip"
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Bottom line: Whoever is crazy enough to ignore laws against murder isn't gonna be deterred by a firearm ban.
 
mmmnaked said:
You can rag on it all day, but between "gun bans" and "armed guards in schools" I'm fairly sure the latter would be 10x more effective.

Both are equally stupid, though.


ps. repeat after me: "magazine, not clip" "magazine, not clip"
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There was an armed cop at Columbine, didn't help much.

Everyone seems to be forgetting that schools are cash strapped right now, they're cutting costs every which way they can. You want them to add a $50k a year cop to their balance sheet when they can't afford the teachers to begin with?

Also where is it going to stop? Are they going to add a guard to every movie theatre, park, anywhere that people gather?

PS, guards seem to be doing a pretty good job keeping your bike safe in your condo parking...
 
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regder said:
There was an armed cop at Columbine, didn't help much.
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He was away on lunch. He rushed back to the scene, exchanged fire with a gunman from 60 yards away (with a pistol) and then retreated to help kids escape the school and secure a perimeter. Bottom line? He did everything he could with the resources provided to him.
 
regder said:
You want them to add a $50k a year cop to their balance sheet when they can't afford the teachers to begin with?
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No, I don't want them to do anything. Schools in the USA are perfectly safe, and calls for "doing something" in the wake of that massacre in CT are emotional, illogical, and unreasonable.
 
Part of this debate is talk around banning high capacity magazines. In the 2011 Tucson shooting, the shooter was clubbed and tackled by bystanders when he had to reload.
 
FiReSTaRT said:
Bottom line: Whoever is crazy enough to ignore laws against murder isn't gonna be deterred by a firearm ban.
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or one armed cop either, just make it more challanging. Maybe the debate should not be on lessening the gun laws but what kind of society we live in where we want to live in, and to that extent in the US. Why if arming your self is such a good idea why does the US have one of the highest violent crime rate in the Western world? Maybe, just maybe it is there out look that might makes right, who ever has the biggest wins, the most. This outlook has been tried before and failed by so many "super powers". Why if Serbia, has a high gun ownership rate, is it lower than the US for gun violence? Why the guys in my office who hunt do not feel compelled to take the guns their own into the office with them?

So you can argue all you want about "clips" vs "magazine", cop in every school, banning guns, ammo or what ever, but you should be really wanting to discuss is what kind of world you want. Where you are sitting in a cinema wondering if they guy two rows down does nt fit your defintion of "normal" so you have to keep your eye on him just incase he pulls out a gun , any gun and take out some people.

And I know I will get some response from someone who says I do not know what I am talking about when it comes to guns, and it is not because I am afraid of them, well yes, I do not know all the termonology about guns but I am not "afraid of them", it is just that it is not the world I want to live in and hide behind.

I was in NYC two years after 9/11, I saw a cop on every corner, and I was standing beside one and said to him, "Makes me feel safe having a cop on every corner", he just looked at me and without an expression on his face, just said, " Makes you wonder who really won, we are now prisoners in our own city?"
 
Boom King said:
Part of this debate is talk around banning high capacity magazines. In the 2011 Tucson shooting, the shooter was clubbed and tackled by bystanders when he had to reload.
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If you only knew how easy it is to un-neuter a magazine and had any integrity, you wouldn't even bother mentioning this. Minutes per mag with a Dremel. Those of us who obey the law won't do it. The criminals and the nutsos will. The only difference it will make is in hindering legitimate sporting use of firearms.
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