Shafia family all found guilty of first-degree murder

I too questioned how exactly these 4 people got killed without any sign of a struggle. How was this orchestrated?
 
I have a 22yr old daughter, short shorts and short top is currently in fashion. Shes a cute kid and quite conservative in her dress.
Our family background is Welsh/Scots.
Those kids just wanted to be like other teens in Montreal.
 
Drug them and drown them when they're out.


I was sure I saw something somewhere in one of the rags about evidence of blunt force trauma on their heads. You can drown in 3 inches of water if you're unconscious.
 
Drug them and drown them when they're out.

I would assume this would've come up in autopsy?

I'm not questioning the judgement... I wasn't there to hear the evidence. Now that the trial is over though, I'd love to get more details about what was presented by the prosecution.
 
I could understand pre-meditated murder for a stranger, but for family members??? :shock:
Didn't they stop at one point in the act and say "wait a minute, that's still my daughter"

...then again, you're most likely to be murdered by someone who knows you than a stranger.
 
Gotta remember that the Crown doesn't have to be able to explain every single detail.
What they have to show is that there is no other explaination for the events other than murder... and convince the jury.

When you have those 2 doorknobs getting on the stand and saying wildly inconsistant and inconceivable stories about how it "actually went down"...
The Crown pretty much had the case served to them.
 
I was just reading that article and came here to post the link myself.... good read. Answers just about all the questions.
 
Had an interesting conversation with a coworker from Romania. He said the people actually loved the nazis in WW2 because the soldiers came through gave children chocolate respected and helped the people and left peacefully. Then the Allies came through and blew everything up raped women and were downright rude. Stuff like that makes you think about the stuff you dont hear about.

My parents lived in Denmark, which was under German occupation for almost the whole of WWII. Denmark did not put up much, if any, resistance to the occupation, and the Germans didn't really do much bad to the general population ... as long as you were not Jewish. But the people knew not to poke the enemy with a stick. The regular soldiers were mostly just regular people doing what they were told.

But I am glad they got what they deserved... Our country our laws dont like it go home. I am all for polygamy if all are consenting parties but murdering one wife and her kids to get rid of her isnt how its done here.

The Shafia judgment is the correct one.
 
Had an interesting conversation with a coworker from Romania. He said the people actually loved the nazis in WW2 because the soldiers came through gave children chocolate respected and helped the people and left peacefully. Then the Allies came through and blew everything up raped women and were downright rude. Stuff like that makes you think about the stuff you dont hear about.

Of course they loved the nazis, Romania was run by a fascist dictatorship which joined the Axis forces in 1940. They were bombed by the allied forces and subsequently invaded by the Russians. Only after all this was there a coup which brought down the previous regime and sided Romania with the allies.

Is it any surprise your friend had favourable things to say of the Nazis?
 
I was just reading that article and came here to post the link myself.... good read. Answers just about all the questions.

definitely an interesting read. I was hooked

My parents lived in Denmark, which was under German occupation for almost the whole of WWII. Denmark did not put up much, if any, resistance to the occupation, and the Germans didn't really do much bad to the general population ... as long as you were not Jewish. But the people knew not to poke the enemy with a stick. .

Meanwhile the Norwegians were brushing up on ski warfare
 

Informative. I did not know wireless companies kept records of what cell towers a phone has "pinged" in the past, I thought they could only track the present location of a phone.

Also,
The Canadian Press said:
One of those items was a laptop used mostly by Hamed. It was seized and, when a thorough analysis was completed many months later, investigators couldn't quite believe some of the searches that had been made.
"Where to commit a murder" was probably the most shocking, Koopman says.
 
That right there is excellent police work. A slam dunk case.

Been following the trial as long as the Star has been reporting it.

I don't understand what took the jury so long to reach a verdict.

They stopped for the free lunch?
 
Jury deliberations are not just "hey guys lets do a show of hands"

They have to actually go over all of the evidence and consider whether each element of the offence has been proven as a logical exercise.

Usually in these kind of trials premeditation is the part that takes a bit of talking through.

remember how pickton was convicted of 2nd degree murder? Now thats an exercise in impossiblity....
 
I could understand pre-meditated murder for a stranger, but for family members??? :shock:
Didn't they stop at one point in the act and say "wait a minute, that's still my daughter"

There's an old Serbian anecdote that has a bearing on this.. While I can't get all the linguistic nuances in there, I'll get the point across..
A man bumps into another man.
-Excuse me, I'm blind
-It's ok, but who clawed out your eyes?
-My brother
-Ahhh that's why he dug so deep


My parents lived in Denmark, which was under German occupation for almost the whole of WWII. Denmark did not put up much, if any, resistance to the occupation, and the Germans didn't really do much bad to the general population ... as long as you were not Jewish. But the people knew not to poke the enemy with a stick. The regular soldiers were mostly just regular people doing what they were told.

In countries where the locals weren't quite "Aryans", it got to be a lot more "interesting." In one case, the plan was to banish 1/3, convert another 1/3 to a different branch of Christianity and kill the rest. They did get about 1,500,000 in the concentration camps, along with a few tens of thousands of Jews and Roma. Understandably, once the jig was up, the locals picked up their torches and pitchforks and started disturbing a bit of excrement. Really cramped the 3rd Reich's style.
 
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