The Koebel guys did it, not Mike Harris. Personal accountability and due diligence. I see their kind on job sites all the time. Government shmovernment.
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I 've read otherwise ... Harris and his cuts left and right created an environment for the losers to exist in the first place. This myth, that Harris had nothing to do with that is probably as good as the one that Rae was the worst thing ever happen to Ontario ....
Wow, is everyone in Kitchener/Waterloo? I have seen Hudak around in my travels and there are signs everywhere. Liberals making some big $ promises to have more GO service out there. Is KW the centre of Ontario now?
Brian, I'm trying to understand how Green is "wacko" because I believe Hudak is "wacko" as I think cutting and slashing constricts an economy from growing.
So, with that said, I went to the leader of the GP's site. This is is his public bio: http://www.mikeschreiner.ca/about-mike/
Then I went to the GP site and located their platform, this is a PDF. Commitment 1 is a tax cut apparently: http://www.gpo.ca/sites/gpo.ca/files/attachments/gpo_platform_2014_05_13_web.pdf
Honestly, I don't see anything bad in either link.
So, with that said, I went to the leader of the GP's site. This is is his public bio: http://www.mikeschreiner.ca/about-mike/
Then I went to the GP site and located their platform, this is a PDF. Commitment 1 is a tax cut apparently: http://www.gpo.ca/sites/gpo.ca/files/attachments/gpo_platform_2014_05_13_web.pdf
Honestly, I don't see anything bad in either link.
I've said this before and I'll keep repeating it until people stop voting for their own best interests, or until I get banned. You are not voting for your own personal government, you are voting for a government of the province. Judge them accordingly.
I've said this before and I'll keep repeating it until people stop voting for their own personal interests, or until I get banned. You are not voting for your own personal government, you are voting for a government of the province. Judge them on those terms.
That's exactly the point. There are guys like the Koebels everywhere, we even have some of that in us. It's called being human. That's precisely why government has the responsibility to put in place safeguards to avoid public disasters that stem from personal failures (within reason). There were no reasonable safeguards in place for Walkerton.
Motorcycle Mike
Well-known member
Yeah, I get it. You want the gold plated service package but you want everyone else to join the group buy and help pay for it. I'm not surprised Schneller likes your idea, after all he is the guy crowd-sourcing to fund a bike trip.
As for your guesses, I'm not single, and I'm not childless, but I also haven't been raised to ask or expect others to pay for things I can't afford.
Fastar, sorry but I will vote for someone that mostly represents what I believe is best for how I want Ontario to be, but I suspect my ideal Ontario is far off from yours.
I don't like the sound of this at all. What other community had a water tragedy during Mike Harris' reign of terror? None that I recall. Luck? Or everybody is just following time honoured procedures? This doesn't pass the smell test....the only thing that kept the towns' water safe all those decades was provincial oversight? Wow, the Koebel guys must have felt really knuckled down under that micromanagement, what a relief it must have been to have that pulled. Dirty water for everybody!
That's the right idea. It's not what you expressed before.
WTF? People always complain that there has to be a tragedy before the right safety protocols are put in pace. Now you're saying there should be two or three tragedies and then they should have sorta kinda thought of changing the way they did things?!?
And yes, I understand that provincial oversight was reduced by Harris. Precisely the kind that would have prevented Walkerton. How the Koebels felt about it is irrelevant. Do you think the role of government should be to avoid hurting our feelings?
LOL, you know I'm not saying that. I don't know precisely what Harris gov. did rejigging the oversight but am I to believe all the towns in Ontario were left rudderless? Maybe we do in fact need be baby sat.
This angle of the conversation has come about because it was suggested Conservatives should be off the table this round because the legacy of Walkerton tragedy. That's what I have issue with. I'm leaning NDP btw.
I meant to edit my post, not quote myself. Sorry.
eljay
Well-known member
There's always Libertarian. They'll never win and you can say you didn't vote for any of the other retards.
Likewise, and that's why there are choices ... I am missing some more balance option between what we have (unfortunately Liberals were supposed to be it, but they simply lied and misappropriated a lot more money than probably the not-so-liked NDP ever has). I realize that your needs and my needs are very far apart.
It was mentioned (by far not the only reason obviously) as one of the things as a result of their cuts ... but make no mistake, the list is very long, this was just one of the things which has happened on their watch. Education, health care ......
Thanks, I have skimmed through it. I still have a problem that it has happened on their watch, the system should be a bit more bullet proof than what they have put in place ... and as such I would not completely disconnect him from the particular event. Just my opinion, not Star's or any other paper one could care to mention.
Harris sounds to me like he purposely chose to be in the state of ignorance to acknowledge what would have happened if ....
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In his extraordinary testimony before
the Walkerton Inquiry, Premier Harris
claimed not to have known that there was “any
risk” associated with such measures as his
government’s elimination of public water-te
sting laboratories or
its elimination of
inspections of closed waste dumps. Harris late
r contradicted himself on this point when
he admitted that he did know of the risks,
but considered them “manageable” (whatever
that means) and therefore unsui
table for public disclosure.
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ok, I listened to Horrorvath this morning. Promising wait times in hospitals cut in half, hiring more RPNs and her response to how this would be paid for? We'll let you know in a few more days.
She has no substances to her rhetoric. She sounds like McGinty when he was out saying no tax hikes or new taxes and then says things were much worse than they realized and charged a health premium.
All the parties have past blunders. PCs, NDPs and Libs. IMO, the Liberals have brought things to a whole new level that can't compare to the past government.
Hudak as least said he was cutting 100,000 public sector jobs. The Libs jump on that with scare tactic's of bringing up Harris's watch. Governments are there to govern. They didn't govern for that situation well. But, Harris didn't make sugar coated promises either.
The Libs have bloated administrative staff that doesn't govern things well at all. So, I think we do need to look at wasted resources.
The NDP's ideological solutions sound great until they have to explain how it will be paid for......then the two stepping double talk that says nothing comes into play....
I may just hold my nose and vote PC to see what happens. At least Hudak says no photo radar. I bet you the do gooder NDP and Libs will be looking for revenue sources to pay for all those promises they are making.......
She has no substances to her rhetoric. She sounds like McGinty when he was out saying no tax hikes or new taxes and then says things were much worse than they realized and charged a health premium.
All the parties have past blunders. PCs, NDPs and Libs. IMO, the Liberals have brought things to a whole new level that can't compare to the past government.
Hudak as least said he was cutting 100,000 public sector jobs. The Libs jump on that with scare tactic's of bringing up Harris's watch. Governments are there to govern. They didn't govern for that situation well. But, Harris didn't make sugar coated promises either.
The Libs have bloated administrative staff that doesn't govern things well at all. So, I think we do need to look at wasted resources.
The NDP's ideological solutions sound great until they have to explain how it will be paid for......then the two stepping double talk that says nothing comes into play....
I may just hold my nose and vote PC to see what happens. At least Hudak says no photo radar. I bet you the do gooder NDP and Libs will be looking for revenue sources to pay for all those promises they are making.......
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What makes Greens whackos?
I've voted for them for their environmental stance and because they seemed to speak the truth more than others, probably because they don't stand a chance of being elected.
I haven't actually examined their platform in years but I doubt it's a very whacko one?
