So McGuinty's mess was a direct result od Harris method of handling it? To tell you the truth, the first thing I ignore is a party whining what they inherited .....
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So McGuinty's mess was a direct result od Harris method of handling it? To tell you the truth, the first thing I ignore is a party whining what they inherited .....
Let me guess .... single, no kids, old enough to not require any education, no need for public transit and perfectly healthy?
I respect your choice, but you have to realize that small governments with very low taxes work well probably in Bolivia ... not in a society where mixture of classes and demographics live. My needs and your needs will differ vastly.
I don't mind the government to tax me and corporations and the current rates, but I want them to spend the money wisely, stick to the plan covering services I and business is interested in, don't loot or throw money into a black hole like the current government has on many instances. It's a simple request, isn't it? Yet apparently so hard to deliver ....
McGuinty inherited what he ultimately claimed was a $6.5 Billion deficit. A large chunk of that was run up by Ernie Eves in the six months prior to the election, trying to buy votes, after the austerity measures brought into play by Harris had cut it back considerably. McGuinty/Wynne then almost doubled it, while also increasing the tax load on Ontario citizens.
Wait, don't blame just the government. Blame corporations too. All these corporations that do their manufacturing in Asia and no not hire anyone locally except to make a logo and answer phones. Manufacturing in Asia means different taxes than local. Headquartering in Ireland means different taxes than local.
People have been taught to think that the economy is based on the price of the stock market. It is not. An economy is goods and services exchange.
I cannot offhand think of anything other than food and raw resources from the north that is made in Ontario.
Do we actually even still do anything anymore other than services and selling retail goods made in Asia?
Edit: Wanted to add that an auto plant doesn't count as manufacturing in my eyes as the raw resources are sent elsewhere to be turned into a widget and then shipped back. The widgets are then assembled. This is designed in the USA, made in China and assembled in Canada. They don't need to be here to assemble other than legislative agreements.
This is in contrast to my Japanese motorcycle which received raw resources from Canada or elsewhere, designed it in Japan, manufactured the widgets in Japan, and assembled it all into a unit in Japan. Then shipped it in a container to Ontario to be sold by a retail establishment for vehicles.
People have been taught to think that the economy is based on the price of the stock market. It is not. An economy is goods and services exchange.
I cannot offhand think of anything other than food and raw resources from the north that is made in Ontario.
Do we actually even still do anything anymore other than services and selling retail goods made in Asia?
Edit: Wanted to add that an auto plant doesn't count as manufacturing in my eyes as the raw resources are sent elsewhere to be turned into a widget and then shipped back. The widgets are then assembled. This is designed in the USA, made in China and assembled in Canada. They don't need to be here to assemble other than legislative agreements.
This is in contrast to my Japanese motorcycle which received raw resources from Canada or elsewhere, designed it in Japan, manufactured the widgets in Japan, and assembled it all into a unit in Japan. Then shipped it in a container to Ontario to be sold by a retail establishment for vehicles.
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I think there's many small and midsize companies in Ontario who actually manufacture auto parts here, so this would be a bad example. As far your motorcycle .... well it's hard to assemble them here (and create jobs in small companies who could manufacture various parts like in auto sector) when the country sold 55000 bikes in 2013 ... all manufacturers combined ... the market is basically very tiny and it would make zero sense to build a factory here. Not even our already very low corporate tax (you hear me Tim? .... how much do you want to lower it? ... how is zero?) would do anything in this regard.
Harris cut it, but failed to create any services or keep the one's which were of value to taxpayers (ask people in Walkerton how they liked all the cuts Mr. Harris put in place ....) Anyone can do that ... even dumb and dumber RoFo figured it out.
To me, who can keep or create services and at the same time cut some unwanted fat, is the king, or should I say should be the PM .... naive? Maybe, but let me dream pls. LOL
Oh really.
I work with Tier 1 auto parts manufacturers and the suppliers to those manufacturers. LOTS of them.
Ever hear of Magna? Number one auto parts manufacturer in the world. Based in Canada. While they do have many worldwide plants (near the assembly plants that they build parts for), they have a lot of plants right here in the Toronto area.
As you drive thru Milton on the 401, there is a large green building on the south side. They make all sorts of automotive structural parts in there. Subframes, engine cradles, axles, etc. Just off in the distance to the south is another large white building. From there, come the entire welded bodyside assemblies used in a number of cars you might have heard of. Camaro. Chrysler 300. Dodge Challenger. That plant has some HUGE stamping presses in it.
There is a Canadian company that makes belt tensioners and pulleys. Every VW diesel engine sold worldwide has a timing belt tensioner that they built. I've worked on about three generations of the line that assembles those. That company does have divisions in Europe and China ... and the production equipment in those plants was built right here.
A lot of automated welding lines for automotive bodyshells worldwide comes from a couple of different companies that are based in Canada. If you drive a late model Mercedes or BMW SUV, a Canadian company built the automation equipment that put together your doors, hood, tailgate, front fenders, and sunroof. I know that because I worked on it.
Other stuff built right here in Canada and that I've seen with my own eyes: Transmission shafts, windshields, rear windows, oil pumps, oil coolers, oil lines and hoses, coolant pumps, seat frames, seat cushions, door latches and locks, bumper reinforcement bars, instrument panel support beams, suspension links and control arms, differential housings, drive shafts, exhaust systems, and a bunch more that I've forgotten at the moment.
Honda and Toyota have assembly plants in Ontario. If you think that every part they are putting together is coming from Japan, you are mistaken. Honda has an engine plant and a stamping plant in Alliston in addition to the two final assembly plants. A lot of the parts are made locally.
While there is no "Canadian car" with a nameplate we can call our own, there is a vehicle that we can call our own ... the CanAm Spyder. Parent company - Bombardier Recreational Products. You might have heard of them. Their corporate relative, Bombardier, also make the odd airplane and train car. If you have anything that has a Rotax engine - Bombardier Recreational Products owns Rotax (although Rotax themselves are Austrian).
If you ride the bus ... chances are, it was built in Canada. Maybe it was built by Nova Bus Industries in Quebec, or maybe it was built by New Flyer in Winnipeg.
All of these put together plus all of their suppliers and other affiliates employ untold thousands of people in Canada, and it wouldn't surprise me if the total auto / transport manufacturing sector was nearer a million.
Here's a graph that's gives a good representation of where the province stands financially. Gives some context and points of comparison.
Conclusion; not good, but not a crisis either.
Source: http://www.rbc.com/economics/economic-reports/pdf/provincial-forecasts/prov_fiscal.pdf
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Well,
At this point I have three choices (for my personally of course).
1. Vote NDP
2. Vote Green (Hey, the leader of the Ontario Green is who is running for MPP here in Guelph).
3. Reject my ballot (not spoil it; apparently "spoiling" a ballot is an illegal act:
http://rabble.ca/babble/canadian-politics/reject-election-don’t-mark-your-ballot
So, now I am hitting the NDP and Green party websites and then political blogs etc.
At this point I have three choices (for my personally of course).
1. Vote NDP
2. Vote Green (Hey, the leader of the Ontario Green is who is running for MPP here in Guelph).
3. Reject my ballot (not spoil it; apparently "spoiling" a ballot is an illegal act:
http://rabble.ca/babble/canadian-politics/reject-election-don’t-mark-your-ballot
So, now I am hitting the NDP and Green party websites and then political blogs etc.
As I recall the results of the inquiry the one pertinent recommendation was that legal requirements should have been put in place making reporting of test results by independent labs, to the Ministry of the Environment, mandatory. Several labs were failing to do this because they felt it was a breach of client privacy. Local personnel, specifically the Koebel brothers, operated a water treatment system that was not properly sterilizing the water and then falsified the reports from that system.
Results of the Walkerton inquiry can be found here: http://www.attorneygeneral.jus.gov.on.ca/english/about/pubs/walkerton/
#3 should read "decline", not "reject." As I have stated in this thread, multiple times, you are provided the opportunity to formally decline your ballot as a form of protest.
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NDP is out because I will never, ever, EVER vote for them.
Liberal is out because they have to go. Should have been kicked out the last time. Some of them belong in jail, not running for office.
Green is out because they are a bunch of wackos.
Hudak promotes a number of things that I don't like but I will likely hold my nose and vote Conservative and hope that it's a minority.
Liberal is out because they have to go. Should have been kicked out the last time. Some of them belong in jail, not running for office.
Green is out because they are a bunch of wackos.
Hudak promotes a number of things that I don't like but I will likely hold my nose and vote Conservative and hope that it's a minority.
To say that it had nothing to do with it would also be untrue but, where percentage of blame is assessed, I would put it at 95% for two lying and incompetent brothers, and 5% on the government. The government did, in fact, fail to put in place simple legislation that would have mitigated against the possibility of malfeasance.
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Here's a graph that's gives a good representation of where the province stands financially. Gives some context and points of comparison.
Conclusion; not good, but not a crisis either.
Source: http://www.rbc.com/economics/economic-reports/pdf/provincial-forecasts/prov_fiscal.pdf
http://www.netnewsledger.com/2014/04/22/ontario-provincial-net-debt-largest-in-canada/
Someone in the government had to hire the two brothers. If you hire incompetent people you are to blame. If you hire marginally competent people and fail to train them and keep an eye on them you are to blame.
BTW is there actually an election about to happen?
In Etobicoke centre there are next to no signs, no town hall meetings, no baby kissing, no mailbox literature, no candidate bragging, no glad handing, no action in general. Just a few newby names here and there.
It looks like all the promo money is being spent on the big dogs.
In Etobicoke centre there are next to no signs, no town hall meetings, no baby kissing, no mailbox literature, no candidate bragging, no glad handing, no action in general. Just a few newby names here and there.
It looks like all the promo money is being spent on the big dogs.
Look to Walkerton's civic government for that.
http://www.attorneygeneral.jus.gov.on.ca/english/about/pubs/walkerton/part1/WI_Chapter_05.pdf
