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Just WTF are the PC's thinking? I just read through their "Million Jobs Plan" and it just doesn't make sense. Were they sharing Fords personal stash when they came up with that train wreck?

http://ontariopc.com/millionjobsplan/plan.pdf
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No doubt, a million minimum wage jobs coming up.

If they change the journeyman to apprentice ratio, sure 200K apprentice jobs will be created, but how many journeymans will be laid off? But if a journeyman can be replaced by an apprentice, then the blame lies partly with the journeyman. Can't hide behind imposed ratios. Dunno.
 
nobbie48 said:
Doesn't that plan start with firing 100,000 civil servants? So is that job promise a gross or net employment figure?
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And just how much $$$ is each severance package going to cost as well????? Hudak says it will be by early retirement and management positions. Ok, so those managers will have a right to sue and get more money. The early retirement packages are going to be spendy too. 100,000 employees multiplied by say, $50,000 per. $5,000,000,000........

Sounds like a good size hole to dig.......

I'm down with private sector ways to approach business. When there is skin in the game, folks tend to be accountable and responsible to themselves and the business they work for. Government and public sector is all about taking care of themselves and let everyone else pay....


They are carping about mandatory voting.......how about politicians give us something to inspire us to vote for????? Cut the crap. No double talk. Say what you want to do, how you plan to go about it and don't promise a bunch of pie in the sky unrealitistic crapola.
 
NDP will put us into unfathomable debt. They will make the liberal reign look like the golden years. But at least they will be honest about it. Sort of.

Liberals need to be put in their place and understand that people won't put up with their questionable spending habits and pick pocketing. They need to be held responsible for their corruption, possibly even criminally.

Conservatives will tear us to shreds BEFORE attempting to rebuild. There will be tax hikes for the average joe while corporate will be reduced. Which has its upsides yes but undoing what the liberals have done with corporate tax/fees/insurance will be bank breaking.

We are going to need slow change. IMO starting with a conservative/NDP minority. BUT with that I believe we need independent average joes who are willing to vote for us. The average joes.

First things first. Scrap the minimum wage increase. Every time wage goes up so does everything else. With this increase single parent allowances. That way it may convince people that a 15 year old doesn't need to make $11 an hour (I started working at $5.85 and in a year saved for my first car at $5500)

Scrap the ******** gas tax, if your not going to help improve the roads/transit or anything else with it there is no need.

I dont even want to get started on the price of natural gas and proposed increases or the govt fees tagged onto your hydro bill. Wtf is "debt repayment fee"

Scrap mandatory WSIB. I pay 10 cents on ever dollar I make to wsib and when I asked if I should cancel my personal liability insurance they said no. Because I'm a sole proprietor they will not give me anything if I get hurt. When asked why do I have to pay? "Well its the law". You wouldn't believe how many small 1 or 2 man companies this has put under. 5 at least in my industry. Mine is decently close as well. Govt takes almost half my profits/year.

Thats my piece for now. Im sure I'll come up with more.

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nakkers said:
They are carping about mandatory voting.......how about politicians give us something to inspire us to vote for????? Cut the crap. No double talk. Say what you want to do, how you plan to go about it and don't promise a bunch of pie in the sky unrealitistic crapola.
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lol. mandatory voting and only one party = utopia
 
peterm15 said:
Wtf is "debt repayment fee"
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" debt retirement charge" is the charge for the previous electricity company who owned it. They had debt & was passed on to the consumer when it was sold.

Only in the public sector....
 
This election should be simple: anyone, anywhere, as long as its not liberal. If we re-elect the bastards who have PROVEN to steal and plunder and lie about it through 2 different premiers, we're a bunch of f**g a**holes.

I see Liberal signs on lawns and I wanna knock on peoples doors and ask them what the hell they're thinking. In fact, I may start doing exactly that in my riding.
 
Einstein said the definition of insanity was doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results.

I'm not campaigning for any party, Im just campaigning against the liberals. Given all the supposedly ****** choices, at least we can send the message that if you screw up as big as they did with the gas plants, you will lose your position of authority. Lets at least do that right this time...
 
mmmnaked said:
Einstein said the definition of insanity was doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results.

I'm not campaigning for any party, Im just campaigning against the liberals. Given all the supposedly ****** choices, at least we can send the message that if you screw up as big as they did with the gas plants, you will lose your position of authority. Lets at least do that right this time...
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Theoretically you could end up punishing a party that wasted a half a billion by electing a party that intends to waste a full billion. Unfortunately for Wynne she isn't clearing the view and if she can't be honest about the past she can't be honest about the future.

I know one tory candidate and things he's said in private make me worry, really worry.

NDP lets see them raise the minimum wage and then because people are making more money they can be taken off subsidised housing. Right? Hah!

Maybe Rob could make the declined ballot procedure a sticky. It seems to be the only realistic option.
 
I can't manage to hold my nose for NDP. Sorry, they make statements that are appealing but, have nothing to back up how to pay for it. They promise rebates on hydro. They promise 15 reduction for insurance premiums. The promise increase minimum wages. Ok, sounds great. How the heck are you going to pay for it????

If the liberals get voted back, it's clear that no one feels the effects of canceled gas plants, ehealth and orange blunders and the denials and cover up. You just know they are going to throw some cash at the teachers and other unions again and bolster more support. I'm sick to my stomach. But, I have a feeling.....they will get voted back in anyways. It won't be because of me.
 
I'll be declining my vote and I'm trying to spread the word amongst friends about how to go about doing that too. I'd also love to see the current crop of career ambitious selfish clowns we have on offer be told that they aren't wanted by a reasonable number of disaffected voters. That's provincial. The problem is magnified at the federal level. Trudeau is a dick, Harper is a dangerous dick and the others are irrelevant.
 
I really hope the Liberals get thrown to the curb as a lesson for all their ****, but at the same time I dread either a NDP or PC government that we are offered either. They are all a bunch of crooks and idiots.

Rather than declining my ballot, however, I think I will vote Libertarian. They don't stand a snowball's chance in hell of being elected anywhere, but at least I agree with their principal of leaving me the hell alone.
 
nakkers said:
I can't manage to hold my nose for NDP. Sorry, they make statements that are appealing but, have nothing to back up how to pay for it.
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How is this different than Tim Hudak's utopia and sequence of statements? .... it's not just NDP, it's all of them having very questionable statements in their program. To my eye, the PC party looks the worst for any middle class family. Surely, if you are well off without kids, Tim will make you richer. And he kind of forgets who was there before the Liberals ....

I don't want to vote Liberals for sure, but I feel like an idiot to vote Hudak and his gang ... so what do you have for me?
 
mxs said:
How is this different than Tim Hudak's utopia and sequence of statements? .... it's not just NDP, it's all of them having very questionable statements in their program. To my eye, the PC party looks the worst for any middle class family. Surely, if you are well off without kids, Tim will make you richer. And he kind of forgets who was there before the Liberals ....

I don't want to vote Liberals for sure, but I feel like an idiot to vote Hudak and his gang ... so what do you have for me?
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Maybe these guys?

http://www.gpo.ca/

Fiscally conservative conservationists.
 
I am willing to look .... but by choosing someone like this, you are not impacting the liers, thieves or corporate lovers to get behind the wheel yet again, and that is huge problem to me.
 
mxs said:
I am willing to look .... but by choosing someone like this, you are not impacting the liers, thieves or corporate lovers to get behind the wheel yet again, and that is huge problem to me.
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My position is that you vote for the party that best supports your personal goals. Don't bother thinking about strategic voting, or any similar garbage. All that does, is maintain the status quo of morally bankrupt politicians. If no one supports your ideals then don't go for the lesser evil. If presented with the opportunity to voice your displeasure, via something like a declined ballot, avail yourself of it. Don't sit on the couch at home when you should be voting.
 
nakkers said:
And just how much $$$ is each severance package going to cost as well????? Hudak says it will be by early retirement and management positions. Ok, so those managers will have a right to sue and get more money. The early retirement packages are going to be spendy too. 100,000 employees multiplied by say, $50,000 per. $5,000,000,000........

Sounds like a good size hole to dig.......



I'm down with private sector ways to approach business. When there is skin in the game, folks tend to be accountable and responsible to themselves and the business they work for. Government and public sector is all about taking care of themselves and let everyone else pay....


They are carping about mandatory voting.......how about politicians give us something to inspire us to vote for????? Cut the crap. No double talk. Say what you want to do, how you plan to go about it and don't promise a bunch of pie in the sky unrealitistic crapola.
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Gah! Talk about shooting himself/PCs in the foot...

I really want to vote PC because the Liberals have just been so darn awful and any party that outright lies that much deserves to be turfed. I was hopeful that the PCs would be a viable alternative. This stupid Job Plan is going to be John Tory and the religious school debate all over again.

The numbers just don't add up:

From:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...lion-jobs-plan-a-detailed-breakdown-1.2642354
"Hudak's plan acknowledges that more than 523,000 jobs would be created anyway if the government simply continued the policies of the last decade"

So... We cut 100000 decent paying, middle income sort of jobs and create 500000 (which makes 400000 net jobs after the 100000 lost are accounted for) jobs which will likely be the crappy pay / minumum wage variety.

Sorry, I just can't support such a half baked plan. I can't vote PC now and I can't vote for the current Fiberals. Either I vote NDP or spoil my ballot...

Time to hit the NPD propaganda site... er... website and see what they are bribing us with... er... promising us...
 
What a cruel joke this whole election is becoming.

There is absolutely no way I could vote Liberal, Hudak is making be feel the same way about the PCs, and there isn't a chance in hell I would ever vote NDP.

I think I will be voting Libertarian Party this time around.
 
I really don't get all the NDP hate.

Rae's government was during the worst recession since the depression. This is now almost 25 years since those days. He isn't running in this election.

Heavy is the head that wears the crown. I doubt the other parties would have done better with the recession.

Maybe time to get over it? Some of you weren't even born then.
 
Sunspark said:
I really don't get all the NDP hate.

Rae's government was during the worst recession since the depression. This is now almost 25 years since those days. He isn't running in this election.
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I've never been politically astute, mostly for the reason Diesel laid out above, but I remember being quite shocked at the reaction to Rae Days at the time. If that's an indication (it is) of political climate all hope is lost.

The '60's proved communes don't work. Let's face it, the way everything is intertwined these days, Ontario is a commune.
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