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That's my rationale for voting Green.

I think a green (small g) party is needed but not necessarily The Green Party. The problem with "Green" is that we have to think ahead far more than four years and the population is generally in denial. The other problem with green solutions is that for them to work 100% of the world population has to be in agreement. Ask Putin for his stand on green.

However voting "Green Party" might get us edging in the right direction. They need enough votes to be noticed but not enough to win.

PS. When was the last time Ontario was in the black, No debt, no deficit. Ever?
 
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I was ready to vote Liberal until it occurred to me - based on the way Wynne is described by those who know her, and her budget - that she may not have the discipline to control spending. Too bad because she seems to be a genuinely good person. I don't think she had a hand in the gas plant scandal either

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I never really liked the idea of declining the ballot as I felt it was pointless, but I didn't have the words to express it like this guy did on reddit:

One of the lessons we learn when we grow up is that life isn't always going to be an endless buffet of enticing options: sometimes, "less worse" is going to be the best you can do, and that's something you kind of need to get over.
With that in mind, standing on station and refusing to make tough decisions is immature and petulant.
And if you think you're "sending a message" or "making a difference" or "signalling discontent", I'd urge you to consider that nowhere in the world has anyone ever gone "Holy ****, 0.4% of the population declined their ballots! LET'S SPONTANEOUSLY CHANGE EVERYTHING!"
If you don't like your options, you can do something about it--between elections. Parties are democratic institutions. Join one. Or work outside the system and send letters to the editor or cabinet ministers: you'd be surprised how much policy is determined by these letters. Or join an outside pressure group. Whatever.
But if you've done none of that--if you've had no involvement whatsoever until this election, when you've woken up and realized that, like, none of these options are, like, quite what you had in mind--then that's entirely your own fault, and we can all do without your grandstanding.


Look, you can eat your ballot for all I care.
What bothers me is when people take declining their ballot and turn it into this grand and noble thing, far beyond the comprehension of us mere sheep. Declining a vote isn't fulfilling some proud civic duty; it's abdicating it. It's admitting that you've failed as a citizen, that your opinions have not made it into the marketplace of ideas, and that you've haven't persuaded anyone to take them seriously.
If that's the best you can do, so be it.
But let's do it without the sanctimony, hmm?
 
If I have to admit I failed as a citizen so be it. LOL, what a bunch of bs. Look who's sanctimonious.
 
0.4 is 20% of 2. Getting into some serious numbers here.
 
As far as ive been able to tell declining a ballot is only a legal vote form for federal elections. Can someone correct this?

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I hope Mike Schreiner wins in Guelph. If I was in that riding I would be voting for him too.

That is my riding. Seriously thinking of giving Mike my vote. My wife and I have been discussing this election and the issues.

Too bad the PCs are no more. Lately the feds and the Ontario Conservatives have been sounding like a bad rendition of the Reform Party. Take the Neo-Con crap and keep it in Alberta or take it south of the border... Got to love the new Prostitution Bill that McKay came out with. I hope the Supreme Court slams it down and makes a doily out of it. Time for the Federal Conservatives to go.
 
As far as ive been able to tell declining a ballot is only a legal vote form for federal elections. Can someone correct this?

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Decline Your Vote! From the Ontario Elections Act:

Declined Ballot

53. An elector who has received a ballot and returns it to the deputy returning officer declining to vote, forfeits the right to vote and the deputy returning officer shall immediately write the word “declined” upon the back of the ballot and preserve it to be returned to the returning officer and shall cause an entry to be made in the poll record that the elector declined to vote. R.S.O. 1990, c. E.6, s. 53.
 
The current situation proves politicians don't care what people think. If people think declining their ballot will get politicians attention they are dreaming. The fewer people that vote the happier politicians are.

Not all of them are crooked and senseless, here's the hope they will start listening, until then ... long shot, but better than just giving a vote to someone you just clearly described as not people caring, right?

So to me if you vote and believe in what you have said, that makes a lot less sense, doesn't it?
 
Decline Your Vote! From the Ontario Elections Act:

Declined Ballot

53. An elector who has received a ballot and returns it to the deputy returning officer declining to vote, forfeits the right to vote and the deputy returning officer shall immediately write the word “declined” upon the back of the ballot and preserve it to be returned to the returning officer and shall cause an entry to be made in the poll record that the elector declined to vote. R.S.O. 1990, c. E.6, s. 53.

Thank you. Ive only been able to see in relate to federal.

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As far as ive been able to tell declining a ballot is only a legal vote form for federal elections. Can someone correct this?

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There is NO option to decline your ballot at the Federal level. You can currently only do it at the Provincial level. Elections Canada recommended adding the option more than 10 years ago and it has never been acted upon.
 
There is NO option to decline your ballot at the Federal level. You can currently only do it at the Provincial level. Elections Canada recommended adding the option more than 10 years ago and it has never been acted upon.

I must have read wrong. Thanks for the clarification.

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What would be a good reason for somebody living in Wellandport using Sunnybrook to give birth? Could a birth be so sensitive that nothing more local would suffice?
 
Who knows? Maybe the domineering parents live in the neighbourhood and are intent on interfering with the poor sap's life?

There is a reason I don't have a ring on my finger even though I am in a LTR.

No Ma'am.

In seriousness, maybe there are medical issues like lupus or something. I know my cousin's spouse has pancreatitis and they drove from Milton to Sunnybrook ER to be diagnosed.
 
Just an innocent question. Hudaks kid was born at Sunnybrook recently. He lives in Wellandport. Is it a case of "I am so and so and only the big city best for me and mine, no taking any chances"?
 
Just an innocent question. Hudaks kid was born at Sunnybrook recently. He lives in Wellandport. Is it a case of "I am so and so and only the big city best for me and mine, no taking any chances"?

More likely it has something to do with the $21K living allowance for MPPs who live more than 50 Km from Toronto. You know, the one that he threw Peter Shurman under the bus over.
 
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