And Harper has been elected how many times while having been found in contempt of Parliament, being contemptuous of veterans, and using our own money to tell us what a good job his government is doing?
It's not just Ontario.
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And Harper has been elected how many times while having been found in contempt of Parliament, being contemptuous of veterans, and using our own money to tell us what a good job his government is doing?
It's not just Ontario.
dragonrider
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I think the best combo is lib fed + PC provincial.
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Here's the problem .... when you put it like that, yes I could agree. But, I don't believe that, that's the thing and there's many other independents who don't believe it either. Will PC government not steal money and lie? I don't think you will see another gas plant fiasco, I do think they will lie when they need to ... look at TH he already has started ... making a mockery of his 1mil. of jobs.
On the other hand there's a very strong possibility that PC will lower quality of health care, education and other key services people expect government to coordinate and manage. As always, it depends which side of the fence you are on, only then you can say PC cannot do worse than Liberals. For some voters they cannot, for others they absolutely can.
Pick a party, not a color ...
well...one of those was stolen...
It's not easy to get the message across to people that they have the option to decline their ballot as a protest vote, when people like Mark Towhey are on the radio giving voters incorrect information. He was just telling people that spoiling their ballot would get the message across, when the number of spoiled ballots shoots up. He also has this bizarre idea that if people write on their ballots, this will somehow make its way to politicians. I called up to correct him (didn't manage to get on-air because it was the end of the segment) but he persisted in his incorrect view, even after two of us called up to correct him.
Could you make the process a sticky until the next idiot takes office? I don't trust the polling staff either.
A spoiled ballot beats voting for a crook but it doesn't leave a message saying "I know how the process works and none of you pass muster." If the number of declined ballots starts rising it sends the message that the voters are getting smarter. If the number of spoiled ballots rises it says that they're getting dumber.
A spoiled ballot beats voting for a crook but it doesn't leave a message saying "I know how the process works and none of you pass muster." If the number of declined ballots starts rising it sends the message that the voters are getting smarter. If the number of spoiled ballots rises it says that they're getting dumber.
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Why would a pol care about spoiled or declined ballots? They only need to win by 1 vote. They don't need to make sure they have a majority of the ballots, they only need to make sure they have 1 more of the valid ballots counted than the next largest number.
If there are a million ballots issued and 999,997 of them are spoiled or declined and I have 2 valid ones and my opponent has 1, then I have won. The other 999,997 ballots get to go pound sand.
If there are a million ballots issued and 999,997 of them are spoiled or declined and I have 2 valid ones and my opponent has 1, then I have won. The other 999,997 ballots get to go pound sand.
You don't see a message there though?
Spoiled ballots are discarded. Declined ballots are counted and (hopefully) reported.
The losers can't do anything except wait till the next election. The winner is off to somewhat represent the constituents and has no idea who the decliners are or why.
Except that a substantial number of declined ballots indicate people who are willing to take part in the process, but have no one to vote for. In other words they're voters that the other guy could use to win. That could worry them.
It doesn't have to be that way.
But it's true that if you look at all of the politicians, most have started early and have a few decades under their belt, so they become complacent with the program and the fact that people are not voting ... so one way or another it is a problem. Or is it? What happens when only 10-15% of population votes?
I would argue that voting with your dollar is a much more powerful and effective exercise of your democratic choice than an electoral vote.
