PRIDE Parade - Good or Bad?

[just_luc]

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I agree that unacceptable behaviour in the workplace is one thing (and that goes for anyone regardless of sexual orientation), but I believe that someone brought up the fact that people can still lose their employment over being 'outted' as a homosexual (Don't Ask Don't Tell was only repealed fairly recently). That's the point - even in this age of 'tolerance' there are still those out there who DO take issue with someone's sexual orientation.




So this isn't really about gay people then, it's about ANYONE overtly making their sex life known to everyone around them. Yet here we are, in a thread talking about gay people and how uncomfortable it makes some heteros to know what they do behind closed doors. Somehow I highly doubt that this kind of squeamishness exists while hetero men are describing to their colleagues the chick they picked up at a bar and banged during the weekend.

I agree that if someone was fired just because they were outed, that is wrong.. 100%.. and i'm sure that does happen sometimes, because their are bigots out there.. but my point was that I believe often when someone says they were fired for being gay, it's not that simple.. they were fired for their flaming personality that disrupted the work place. And while being gay is not a choice.. being flaming is, so I have no pity. And yes, you are absolutely correct that this discussion should not just be limited to gay people.. it is not acceptable straight people to make their exploits public either.. I just feel that HR departments etc would be prepared to bring down the hammer on a straight person for being inappropriate in the work place, but would be squeamish about reprimanding a gay person for exactly the same behavior because they fear being looked at as a bigot...

I believe in true equality.. however I don't believe in going so far past that the middle we end up tipping the scales in the opposite direction. Not just in relation to gay people, but also women's rights, native American's, pretty much any minority.. we should treat them as we wish to be treated, but not walk on egg shells around them... equality for all.. special treatment for none.

 

[short stop]

I think we generally agree, so there's no real point in arguing. But originally the issue was with someone else's post:

About being fired:
Their workplace doesn't need to know they're gay. If they tell their coworkers, or boss/etc, then it's on them. Sexuality, like many other things should only be expressed in the appropriate places.

THIS is discrimination. This implies that as long as one hides their sexuality from colleagues, then they are safe from reprisal. And if one were to let it slip that they have a same-sex partner, then basically it's their fault that they told someone. That's definitely the jist of what I'm getting from that statement. Don't Ask, Don't Tell.

Again, you speak of managers who fear being labelled a bigot for trying to reprimand minorities. I hear ya, and I deal with the same thing in my line of work as well (constantly being labelled as a 'racist'). But there genuinely is a double-standard when it comes to people's perceptions when gay people speak about....well, their personal lives. Small gestures and comments that wouldn't be given a second thought between straight people suddenly becomes much bigger statement when it comes from a gay person. It can often be perceived as being "in-your-face", when really it's just a double-standard.

 

[just_luc]

Agreed.

 

[tricky]

everyone is in agreement? this is an odd turn of events for GTAM

 

[nobbie48]

I agree that if someone was fired just because they were outed, that is wrong.. 100%.. and i'm sure that does happen sometimes, because their are bigots out there.. but my point was that I believe often when someone says they were fired for being gay, it's not that simple.. they were fired for their flaming personality that disrupted the work place. And while being gay is not a choice.. being flaming is, so I have no pity. And yes, you are absolutely correct that this discussion should not just be limited to gay people.. it is not acceptable straight people to make their exploits public either.. I just feel that HR departments etc would be prepared to bring down the hammer on a straight person for being inappropriate in the work place, but would be squeamish about reprimanding a gay person for exactly the same behavior because they fear being looked at as a bigot...

I believe in true equality.. however I don't believe in going so far past that the middle we end up tipping the scales in the opposite direction. Not just in relation to gay people, but also women's rights, native American's, pretty much any minority.. we should treat them as we wish to be treated, but not walk on egg shells around them... equality for all.. special treatment for none.

We talk about one to one situations but what if you had started a company and were carrying a huge debt, you have mortgaged your house to the hilt, you have borrowed from your parents who mortgaged theirs.

You have an account that is key to keeping your head above water and given some time the business will grow and prosper.

Then your key account says something during a lunch meeting making it clear that he is a bigot and won't even talk to a #@%*% queer. You need a new employee and a gay has applied for the job and is best qualified.

Do you hire the gay knowing that you will lose everything and likely never recover? Your parents lose their home as well. The gay only gets a temporary job because the company folds in a month or two.

Or do you avoid the gay guy and try to build other clients to hopefully be able to do without the bigot clients in the future.

Who goes to bat for the martyr? It's easy to talk equality when it doesn't cost you anything.

Eventually the bigots will fade away but I alway hear about special interest groups asking for stuff but never giving.

 

[fastar1]

I decided to be straight after my parents informed me they would disown me if I caught the gay, and what happens to your bumhole if you are gay or happen to go to prison (two lessons in one, my parents were pretty smart).

Yup, that's the main reason there are so many gays. It's that there aren't enough people willing to beat, maim, kill or even just persecute others for being gay. Right?

If only everyone was as willful and aggressive as your dear parents, there would be no scourge of the gay disease on this planet. Obviously anyone who is gay is because they had liberal commie pinko parents, like Dick Cheney. Right?

 

[TdotMurderer]

Anyone who is offended by gay people kissing is just himself uncomfortable with his own sexuality.

The chances are if two guys kissing makes you feel uncomfortable then you are having those thoughts b/c it is probably doing something for your little pecker.

Live your own life. Who gives a **** if two dudes kiss, are they hurting you in any way?

As for being nude in public at the parade. It's known that this is gonna happen. It's the responsibility of the parents to use some common sense in the matter.

 

[nobbie48]

Anyone who is offended by gay people kissing is just himself uncomfortable with his own sexuality.

The chances are if two guys kissing makes you feel uncomfortable then you are having those thoughts b/c it is probably doing something for your little pecker.

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I've heard that line of crap about everything from sexuality to drugs and quitting drinking. It's the "if you don't think like me you've got a complex" answer to all points of view.

I'm not comfortable with gays kissing but it's because I grew up in an anti gay society. That is my problem and I continue to work on it. I'm not into hunting so skinning a deer isn't on my want to watch list either.

 

[jc100]

I couldn't honestly give a toss. I'm not anti gay as I realize we're all pretty much the same and gay people don't have a choice just as straight people don't have a choice....it's who you are, which is precisely why I don't give a toss......it's nothing special.

 

[joet100r]

Anyone who is offended by gay people kissing is just himself uncomfortable with his own sexuality.

The chances are if two guys kissing makes you feel uncomfortable then you are having those thoughts b/c it is probably doing something for your little pecker.

This is not good for me. I'm not compfortable when I see a couple of dogs going at it in the street.

 

[gtm]

Yup, that's the main reason there are so many gays. It's that there aren't enough people willing to beat, maim, kill or even just persecute others for being gay. Right?

If only everyone was as willful and aggressive as your dear parents, there would be no scourge of the gay disease on this planet. Obviously anyone who is gay is because they had liberal commie pinko parents, like Dick Cheney. Right?

I find it ironic that you chose this thread of all threads to act like such a huge faggot in.

My parents are kind, loving, god-fearing individuals and I have no clue how you came to deduce that they would maim, beat, or kill anyone be them gays or not, and that that is somehow the reason there are so many gays.

My parents weren't aggressive at all. They sat me down on our fine white Italian leather couches, we enjoyed fresh lemon scones our maid Gabriella made, and they calmly and carefully explained to the best of their ability to a child, the life choices I had before me and the ones which i should make for their and my own sake.

My parents had this one request of me, and I choose to honor them and their requests to the best of my abilties because I love and respect them, they obviously know a thing or two more about life than an eight year old. Some parents disown their kids for not being doctors, mine for being gay or having extra-racial relations.

 

[tricky]

My parents are kind, loving, god-fearing individuals and I have no clue how you came to deduce that they would maim, beat, or kill anyone be them gays or not, and that that is somehow the reason there are so many gays.

you said your dad would break your legs if you didn't name your firstborn after him. to me, that indicates a certain level of crazy that is dangerous

Some parents disown their kids for not being doctors, mine for being gay or having extra-racial relations.

surely you jest? you must be kidding..... right?

 

[just_luc]

surely you jest? you must be kidding..... right?

My sarcasm meeter is detecting significant readings from both these guys..

 

[tricky]

My sarcasm meeter is detecting significant readings from both these guys..

let's hope that's the case. damn trying to identify internet sarcasm...

 

[fastar1]

... I have no clue ...

Let's just agree on that point and move on.

 

[gtm]

you said your dad would break your legs if you didn't name your firstborn after him. to me, that indicates a certain level of crazy that is dangerous



surely you jest? you must be kidding..... right?

Surely breaking a three generation legacy is grounds for a broken limb or two which heal in a few months. A few months of pain for breaking a nearly hundred year tradition seems completely acceptable to me.

Do none of you care about your parents feelings or traditions at all? The biggest plague upon society is not the gays, but the lack of honesty and respect for our elders and their traditons

 

[nobbie48]

Surely breaking a three generation legacy is grounds for a broken limb or two which heal in a few months. A few months of pain for breaking a nearly hundred year tradition seems completely acceptable to me.

Do none of you care about your parents feelings or traditions at all? The biggest plague upon society is not the gays, but the lack of honesty and respect for our elders and their traditons

I guess goose step marching evolved from marching with broken legs.

 

[gtm]

I guess goose step marching evolved from marching with broken legs.

I find it funny you immediately allude to racism in the form of goose stepping, somehow trying to imply something about me and my glorious heritage?

It's funny you assume so much about my life, ill have you know I am not even white my friend.

Don't try to force your prejudiced images into my mouth and onto my words when you sir are in fact the true racist, ignorant, judgemental piece of ****.

 

[rmemedic]

Anyone who is offended by gay people kissing is just himself uncomfortable with his own sexuality.

The chances are if two guys kissing makes you feel uncomfortable then you are having those thoughts b/c it is probably doing something for your little pecker.

Live your own life. Who gives a **** if two dudes kiss, are they hurting you in any way?

As for being nude in public at the parade. It's known that this is gonna happen. It's the responsibility of the parents to use some common sense in the matter.

BS. It makes me uncomfortable because it's something that to me is very unappealing. I also don't appreciate straight couples making out in public either. I have no clue how women could be interested in guys (but I'm thankful they are). Woman on woman porn also does nothing for me.
Am I homophobic? Not in the least. What you put where and who you do it with isn't any of my business, and honestly the more guys that are occupied with each other, the better ratio us straight guys get.
I work with quite a few gay people, and get along with them all, and have no issues changing at the gym around them, however once I start hearing about their "nightly activities" I tell them to shut it as I don't need to hear it... Just like how I know they don't want to hear about the chick I had screaming dirty words last night.

you said your dad would break your legs if you didn't name your firstborn after him. to me, that indicates a certain level of crazy that is dangerous



surely you jest? you must be kidding..... right?

I gotta admit, my grandma has told me if I bring home a black girl I'm off the will... However, I'll date whoever I want and if it happens to be someone with a bit of colour then that's my choice as it makes me happy.
She has also told my uncle who is only a couple years older than me that if he's gay he is off the will (he's 32 and never had a gf or a bf).
So yes, those people do exist out there still.

 

[nobbie48]

I find it funny you immediately allude to racism in the form of goose stepping, somehow trying to imply something about me and my glorious heritage?

It's funny you assume so much about my life, ill have you know I am not even white my friend.

Don't try to force your prejudiced images into my mouth and onto my words when you sir are in fact the true racist, ignorant, judgemental piece of ****.

If you were joking about broken legs being an acceptable way of settling a dispute I withdraw my remarks. There is nothing noble or glorious about breaking children's legs to force them to comply. Who is racist, ignorant, judgemental etc I'll leave to a jury.

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