PRIDE Parade - Good or Bad?

PRIDE Parade-Good or Bad

  • Good

    Votes: 22 27.5%
  • Not Sure

    Votes: 13 16.3%
  • Bad

    Votes: 45 56.3%

  • Total voters
    80
Love the parade, go with my wife to support my LGBT friends.
There is nothing there that i havent seen on a beach!

I think if children are at the age to discuss sex with, then Pride would be a great place for the them.

We Do have a straight parade, its called everyday life when you show affection to your partner without being insulted, harassed or worse.

While i was there, i wasnt thinking about sexual orientation, i was just proud to be Canadian, with all the rest of the loving Dads/Moms, family and friends.

Gerry


Fun, safe , educational!
 
you're poll needs a "I dont give a flying ****" option
 
LOL...how many decades we have heard that? Yet every year the city is ever deeper into debt.

It brings money into the city so that's a good thing..
 
LOL...how many decades we have heard that? Yet every year the city is ever deeper into debt.

You could try to make the same argument for any number of festivals that go on in the city. The real question is, how much deeper in debt would the city be if they didn't have Pride?


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LOL...how many decades we have heard that? Yet every year the city is ever deeper into debt.

As opposed to how much deeper in to debt it would be without thew money? Honestly, it baffles me just how simplistic your views are.
 
Love the parade, go with my wife to support my LGBT friends.
There is nothing there that i havent seen on a beach!

I think if children are at the age to discuss sex with, then Pride would be a great place for the them.

We Do have a straight parade, its called everyday life when you show affection to your partner without being insulted, harassed or worse.

While i was there, i wasnt thinking about sexual orientation, i was just proud to be Canadian, with all the rest of the loving Dads/Moms, family and friends.

Gerry


Fun, safe , educational!

+1

on the topic of whether sexuality is a choice. . .a gay friend once said to me:

"if it really is a choice, who in their right mind would choose to be gay, considering the way so many in our society treat gay people? if it is choice, then we're choosing to have a long, hard, and difficult life".

as someone else wrote, the idea of choice is silly--i didn't choose at some point of my adolescence to be heterosexual. i am born this way. society has no problem accepting this fact, but for some, they just can't get their head around the idea that gay men and women are also born that way.

our society clearly still has a ways to go.
 
People are still being fired for being lgbt. It's rare but it happens, and smart companies will mask it under other disaplinary actions. People still get beaten up/harassed for it too. When was the last time either action happened because the victim was straight? We've come a long way since people were arrested for being attracted to the same sex but we still aren't 100% there yet either. Our current government was exploring the idea of repealing gay marriage until they realized it would be political suicide for them.

About being fired:
Their workplace doesn't need to know they're gay. If they tell their coworkers, or boss/etc, then it's on them. Sexuality, like many other things should only be expressed in the appropriate places. You wouldn't go to a motorcycle meet in bondage gear, you'd go to a bondage party in it. As the same, you wouldn't go to work shouting I'M GAY while wearing all rainbow clothes and apparel. It's just not the right place (ESPECIALLY a professional place.) You don't need to announce it everywhere and shove it down people's throats (sorta like religion... which reminds me of a funny quote)
"Religion is like a penis.
It's fine to have one.
It's fine to be proud of it.
But please don't whip it out in public and start waving it around,
And PLEASE don't try to shove it down my children's throats."

Furthermore, if someone wants to be special and show their specialness around everyone else, they should expect to be treated differently; and suffer the consequences of their actions. That's just how the world works.

As for the comments someothers made about straight pride being every other day where you can show PDA without being harassed. I do that with my current boyfriend (well, I keep the groping out of sight. but hugging, kissing, holding hands, etc.) Let's face it, 99% of society is too chickenshit to say anything; the 1% who do will back down when you stand up or ignore them; at least here in Canada. Sure we get a few weird looks here and there, but nothing ever comes of it.

Sexuality is not a choice, but who you sleep with is. You don't have to be attracted to someone to sex them up (especially if you're drunk... I'm sure most guys here have had a girl or 2 they're not exactly proud of sleeping with.) Someone could choose to have sex with the opposite sex to make it appear as if they're heterosexual (because unless you tell someone, they don't know what you're attracted to.) Heck, if they do it enough they might just turn straight or bi.
 
About being fired:
Their workplace doesn't need to know they're gay. If they tell their coworkers, or boss/etc, then it's on them. Sexuality, like many other things should only be expressed in the appropriate places. You wouldn't go to a motorcycle meet in bondage gear, you'd go to a bondage party in it. As the same, you wouldn't go to work shouting I'M GAY while wearing all rainbow clothes and apparel. It's just not the right place (ESPECIALLY a professional place.) You don't need to announce it everywhere and shove it down people's throats (sorta like religion... which reminds me of a funny quote)
"Religion is like a penis.
It's fine to have one.
It's fine to be proud of it.
But please don't whip it out in public and start waving it around,
And PLEASE don't try to shove it down my children's throats."

Furthermore, if someone wants to be special and show their specialness around everyone else, they should expect to be treated differently; and suffer the consequences of their actions. That's just how the world works.
So do you hide any pictures of you and your boyfriend at work so people don't have to know that you're straight? If a friend from work adds you on facebook, do you refuse the add because you don't want them to see pics of you with guys and know that you're straight? What about when a female coworker asks you what you did on the weekend and the truth is that you hung out with your boyfriend.....do you refer to him as "signifiant other" or "partner" in conversation to hide that you're straight? If some girl at work pulls out a magazine with a picture of Ryan Gosling and asks you if you think he's hot do you say that you have no opinion because you want to hide your sexual orientation?

Do you see my point? Sexual orientation comes up in even very casual conversations at work A LOT. A gay person should not have to HIDE their sexual orientation at work. And as long as they are not going out of their way to hide it at all times everyone will know pretty quick.

Sexuality is not a choice, but who you sleep with is. You don't have to be attracted to someone to sex them up (especially if you're drunk... I'm sure most guys here have had a girl or 2 they're not exactly proud of sleeping with.) Someone could choose to have sex with the opposite sex to make it appear as if they're heterosexual (because unless you tell someone, they don't know what you're attracted to.) Heck, if they do it enough they might just turn straight or bi.

This is one of the stupidest things I have EVER read......not even worth a comment.
 
So do you hide any pictures of you and your boyfriend at work so people don't have to know that you're straight? If a friend from work adds you on facebook, do you refuse the add because you don't want them to see pics of you with guys and know that you're straight? What about when a female coworker asks you what you did on the weekend and the truth is that you hung out with your boyfriend.....do you refer to him as "signifiant other" or "partner" in conversation to hide that you're straight? If some girl at work pulls out a magazine with a picture of Ryan Gosling and asks you if you think he's hot do you say that you have no opinion because you want to hide your sexual orientation?.


It's not about hiding it, but rather about not unnecessarily being in your face about it.. I used to work with someone who would talk all the time about what she did with "Joey" that weekend, that day.. the date they had etc.. we all new Joey to be her significant other, and because its a unisex name we just assumed it was her boyfriend.. well one day she had pictures and it turns out Joey was a women.. she was gay.. not one person cared, she was still the same girl we had always worked with. The point is, she never hid the fact that she was gay, but never made it a point to make it unnecessarily in your face.

I am straight, and I am married to a women.. when I talk about her at work, she is Emma.. not "my female wife who has boobs Emma"

The problem is a lot (not all, but a large portion) of gay people feel a need to make the fact that they are gay EVERYTHING there is to know about them.. If you were fired for being gay, it's not because you are a normal person who did your job well, dressed professionally like everyone else in the office and just happened to bring a same sex partner to the company picnic.. it's because you walked around in rainbow pants, yelling OMG shut up girl where did you get those shoes!!" and making it a point to tell people whether you're a top or a bottom.
 
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As opposed to how much deeper in to debt it would be without thew money? Honestly, it baffles me just how simplistic your views are.

The guy also likes to forget about Toronto's surplus...
 
The problem is a lot (not all, but a large portion) of gay people feel a need to make the fact that they are gay EVERYTHING there is to know about them.. If you were fired for being gay, it's not because you are a normal person who did your job well, dressed professionally like everyone else in the office and just happened to bring a same sex partner to the company picnic.. it's because you walked around in rainbow pants, yelling OMG shut up girl where did you get those shoes!!" and making it a point to tell people whether you're a top or a bottom.


Wow. Blame the victim much? Whether someone is "in-your-face" with their sexual orientation or not, getting fired for being gay is still DISCRIMINATION.

Plus, I'm curious about your numbers for this "large portion" of gay people. How could you possibly know that a "large portion" act this way? How many gay people go unnoticed because they *aren't* shouting their sexual orientation from the rooftops?
 
Wow. Blame the victim much? Whether someone is "in-your-face" with their sexual orientation or not, getting fired for being gay is still DISCRIMINATION.

Plus, I'm curious about your numbers for this "large portion" of gay people. How could you possibly know that a "large portion" act this way? How many gay people go unnoticed because they *aren't* shouting their sexual orientation from the rooftops?

Victim? you aren't a victim if you do it to yourself. My point is that they were NOT fired for being gay. That would be discrimination, and it would be terrible. They were fired for the unprofessional behavior in the workplace, which is not discrimination.. If a straight guy were talking about some of the same things in the workplace that gay guys feel the need too.. it would be sexual harassment and not be tolerated, but people are afraid to reprimand a gay person for the very same behavior for fear of it being labelled discrimination... Although I am straight I have zero issue with gay people.. my point is equal treatment for all.. and that needs to includes equal standards.

And as for the large portion.. it's not a quantified number.. it's simply what is observed. I do not claim that all gay people act this way.. In fact I have, and have had many gay friends WHO DO NOT act this way.. they are very pleasant, normal, professional people who just happen to be attracted to people of the same sex.. hence why they are my friends..

My issue is not people who sleep with people of the same gender.. could not care less.. my issue is people in rainbow clothing making sure EVERYONE knows their private business. AND I would take equal offense, and support the person being fired just as much if they were wearing/saying/doing things in the work place that promoted being overly heterosexual..
 
It's not about hiding it, but rather about not unnecessarily being in your face about it.. I used to work with someone who would talk all the time about what she did with "Joey" that weekend, that day.. the date they had etc.. we all new Joey to be her significant other, and because its a unisex name we just assumed it was her boyfriend.. well one day she had pictures and it turns out Joey was a women.. she was gay.. not one person cared, she was still the same girl we had always worked with. The point is, she never hid the fact that she was gay, but never made it a point to make it unnecessarily in your face.

I am straight, and I am married to a women.. when I talk about her at work, she is Emma.. not "my female wife who has boobs Emma"

The problem is a lot (not all, but a large portion) of gay people feel a need to make the fact that they are gay EVERYTHING there is to know about them.. If you were fired for being gay, it's not because you are a normal person who did your job well, dressed professionally like everyone else in the office and just happened to bring a same sex partner to the company picnic.. it's because you walked around in rainbow pants, yelling OMG shut up girl where did you get those shoes!!" and making it a point to tell people whether you're a top or a bottom.

Are you an old school Mormon if not this married to womEn thing could land you in jail:p
 
Are you an old school Mormon if not this married to womEn thing could land you in jail:p

Haha.. spelling isn't my strong suit. I was raised french, English although my primary language now was self taught. I am definitely not Mormon and only married to ONE womAn lol.
 
It's not about hiding it

Yes, yes it is, re-read her post:

About being fired:
Their workplace doesn't need to know they're gay. If they tell their coworkers, or boss/etc, then it's on them. Sexuality, like many other things should only be expressed in the appropriate places.

Of course, no one likes an obnoxious, in your face person, regardless if they are gay or straight, however, you have to look at it from an unbiased perspective to determine if they are actually being in your face. For example:

Straight couple kisses in public - Everyone is fine with this, they are just kissing, non-event
Gay couple kisses in public - OMG, gay people being flaming and in your face, hide yo children?

This is NOT equality ^
 
Yes, yes it is, re-read her post:



Of course, no one likes an obnoxious, in your face person, regardless if they are gay or straight, however, you have to look at it from an unbiased perspective to determine if they are actually being in your face. For example:

Straight couple kisses in public - Everyone is fine with this, they are just kissing, non-event
Gay couple kisses in public - OMG, gay people being flaming and in your face, hide yo children?

This is NOT equality ^

Well you are entitled to your opinion, but I personally don't think they need to hide it. I think gay people should feel as free to be gay in public as straight people should to be straight in public.. they key is were is that line? I think a little kiss is fine both for straight people and gay people.. I think a full out session of tonsil hockey in the public park is wrong, AGAIN both for straight people AND gay people.. it's not about whether or not they are gay, its about it not being the time and place for their actions.
 
Victim? you aren't a victim if you do it to yourself. My point is that they were NOT fired for being gay. That would be discrimination, and it would be terrible. They were fired for the unprofessional behavior in the workplace, which is not discrimination.. If a straight guy were talking about some of the same things in the workplace that gay guys feel the need too.. it would be sexual harassment and not be tolerated, but people are afraid to reprimand a gay person for the very same behavior for fear of it being labelled discrimination... Although I am straight I have zero issue with gay people.. my point is equal treatment for all.. and that needs to includes equal standards.

I agree that unacceptable behaviour in the workplace is one thing (and that goes for anyone regardless of sexual orientation), but I believe that someone brought up the fact that people can still lose their employment over being 'outted' as a homosexual (Don't Ask Don't Tell was only repealed fairly recently). That's the point - even in this age of 'tolerance' there are still those out there who DO take issue with someone's sexual orientation.


My issue is not people who sleep with people of the same gender.. could not care less.. my issue is people in rainbow clothing making sure EVERYONE knows their private business. AND I would take equal offense, and support the person being fired just as much if they were wearing/saying/doing things in the work place that promoted being overly heterosexual..

So this isn't really about gay people then, it's about ANYONE overtly making their sex life known to everyone around them. Yet here we are, in a thread talking about gay people and how uncomfortable it makes some heteros to know what they do behind closed doors. Somehow I highly doubt that this kind of squeamishness exists while hetero men are describing to their colleagues the chick they picked up at a bar and banged during the weekend.
 
Straight couple kisses in public - Everyone is fine with this, they are just kissing, non-event
Gay couple kisses in public - OMG, gay people being flaming and in your face, hide yo children?

This is NOT equality ^

This is a pretty common reaction. Some people see a gay couple holding hands and it turns into

"OMG, I have *no* issues with gay people, but do they have to throw it in your FACE?! Keep that in the bedroom!!!"
 
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