PRIDE Parade - Good or Bad?

PRIDE Parade-Good or Bad

  • Good

    Votes: 22 27.5%

  • Not Sure

    Votes: 13 16.3%

  • Bad

    Votes: 45 56.3%
  • Total voters
    80
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_Motorhead_ said:
is that like people "acting black" ?

your logic is a total fail.
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Being black is a culture.. being gay is a sexual preference. THAT is the diffrence.

What it is like though is a white boy who was raised white and just found out he has a black ancester so he ran out and bought gold chains and some fubu pants.. That's just not who he is.

I have no problem with who you are.. as long as it's who you are, and not what you think you should be.
 
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My 2 cents on the parade, well like I said to a gay friend of mine. The gay community has been fighting for ages to be accepted and taken seriously as regular everyday people like anyone else. I can support that. They have this big parade that is supposed to be a celebration of who they are and to show everyone that they have their "pride". Yet what goes on during these parade has nothing to do with your proudness. It a wacky display of your sexuality and by no means do I think the community is gaining the respect they want out of it. As for the rest of us who see it, were told to accept it or were just a bunch of homophobic hicks. I would not agree with the parade if it was straight people doing the same stuff. There is no way I can respect that parade for what it is then rather what its supposed to be. For that reason I don't like it.

That being said I could stop thinking of this little lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7inaN3--Kw&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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just_luc said:
Being black is a culture.. being gay is a sexual preference. THAT is the diffrence.

What it is like though is a white boy who was raised white and just found out he has a black ancester so he ran out and bought gold chains and some fubu pants.. That's just not who he is.

I have no problem with who you are.. as long as it's who you are, and not what you think you should be.
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being born to a culture and a particular sexual orientation are no different, imho. you can't decide to be black or decide to be gay. if we respect 'culture' but not 'sexual orientation', that still is bigotry.

i find it problematic when as a hetero, i see other heteros using the terms 'normal' and 'acting gay' to describe gay people. why do heteros get to decide what acting 'normal' or 'gay' means? would you tell a black person to stop 'acting black' or a hetero person to stop 'acting hetero'?

why not let gay people decide for themselves what they view is 'normal', and what it means to them to 'be gay'?

maybe the pride parade on some level IS what is 'normal' for a gay person. . .

a few years back, a gay friend of mine complained openly about the very public nature of the pride parade and even used phrases like "why don't they just act normal" to describe other gay men and women. that friend was very much in the closet (not with me, as i knew the relationship they were in, and their partner), and didn't want to draw any attention to themselves.

flash forward to today, and that same person goes to pride every year, has 'come out' in public, and now is a much happier, centred person, free from the oppression of societal norms or expectations.

so i say, what is 'acting gay'? it is a meaningless term. they are who they are, and the question is whether you respect them for who they are, or don't.
 
I think a lot of our social issues stem from religious ideologies that we were exposed to as kids.
We try to reconcile and for some they use it at a source of anger and to make themselves feel superior.

Not too long ago still in some places in Canada it was frowned upon and in some US States illegal for mixed race relationships.
 
In my mind, this falls under the principal "do what you want, so long as it does'nt hurt others".

I see no threat with PRIDE, or homosexuality for that matter seeing how were on the topic. I am indifferent. If the gay community chooses to persue this event, all the best to them.

I cant find any issue with the event to be honest, unless i'm missing something? The thread pertains to PRIDE, not to any other parade, so is the real question being asked here whether or not there is an issue with the gay community?
 
I just finished a job for a gay couple.
Lets call them Mike and George.
It's the 4th job I have done in their home in the past 5 yrs. They are great to work for, polite, always offer me food or cold drinks while I work, and always pay the agreed price as soon as the work is completed.
One fellow works in a home renovation big box store, and you would never guess he is gay. The other fellow is very falmboyant and exudes the television personified stereotype of being a flamer, for lack of a better description.
Some flame, some don't.
My youngest brother is gay. He now is bothered by flaming gays...he calls them "queers". He used to be one, and openly admits that he "put it on", as a form of advertising. he said it's pretty easy for hetero people to meet singles that may be interested, becasue, chances are, the majority of the opposite sex is straight. He says that when he acted "flaming gay", he did it so other gay people would recognize it, sort of advertsing his homosexuality, and hopefully that would lead to him being introduced to, or meeting more gay men, and hopefully being able to form relationships with people who had a similar orientation. He now doesn't look or act any different than most men I know, and neither does his boyfriend. I am pretty sure that he is alot more comfortable in his own skin now as well.
 
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My youngest brother is gay. He now is bothered by flaming gays...he calls them "queers". He used to be one, and openly admits that he "put it on", as a form of advertising. he said it's pretty easy for hetero people to meet singles that may be interested, becasue, chances are, the majority of the opposite sex is straight. He says that when he acted "flaming gay", he did it so other gay people would recognize it, sort of advertsing his homosexuality, and hopefully that would lead to him being introduced to, or meeting more gay men, and hopefully being able to form relationships with people who had a similar orientation. He now doesn't look or act any different than most men I know, and neither does his boyfriend. I am pretty sure that he is alot more comfortable in his own skin now as well.
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This is my point.

It has nothing to do with me being a biggot.. I certainly am not. I accept all people. My comments about acting normal etc are not in relation to me deciding what is normal, or normal being a specific set of paraments.. everyones normal is a little diffrent.. but be true to yourself, don't put on an act that you think others want to see. Ominivores brother is a prime example to my point.. he acted flaiming because he thought other gay people wanted him too, and he would meet a quy, when he himself doesn't care for other flamers.. so he probably turned off other gay men when he was acting this way too... he is now gone back to being himself and has met a nice guy.. overall much happier..
 
I think the parade is a horrible marketing campaign. The Local News never show the normal gay people, they show the porn and orgy show. These are the images the non gay public take away. Can you really take this community seriously when your impression of them is sucking on dildos and dancing around naked? We make fun of the Quebec student protester for the very same reason. Wanna make a real impact? Dress respectable, march down the street and tell the world your ****** off and not gonna take it. Over turn a car or 2. That's how you get **** done.
 
I think we all need to go hang out at El Convento Rico on College and watch the drag queen show that comes on at midnight/half-past midnight - take the edge off.
 
You know what the parade needs? A whole pile of topless women. Why do no women go topless in Ontario? It is legal. Then everyone would love the parade!! :p
 
Red695 said:
You know what the parade needs? A whole pile of topless women. Why do no women go topless in Ontario? It is legal. Then everyone would love the parade!! :p
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guess women remain a mystery to you dont they? i get the feeling you'll be shaking your fist for a while
 
Red695 said:
You know what the parade needs? A whole pile of topless women. Why do no women go topless in Ontario? It is legal. Then everyone would love the parade!! :p
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I take it you've never been downtown on the Saturday before the parade?
 
dr_sarcasm said:
I think we all need to go hang out at El Convento Rico on College and watch the drag queen show that comes on at midnight/half-past midnight - take the edge off.
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I was "dragged" in to a gay club in quebec once, and they were having a sort of drag queen talent show... And honestly, it was a great freakin time! Some pulled it off really well, some not so much, and some were really funny or talented...
Also, it became clear there were a fair amount of straight girls that had gone just to enjoy a night out without pressure from guys, but after a few hours of drinking they were on the prowl, made it pretty easy to pick up actually!

Red695 said:
You know what the parade needs? A whole pile of topless women. Why do no women go topless in Ontario? It is legal. Then everyone would love the parade!! :p
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I don't know... Not every boob is a good boob. I've seen some really nice topless girls around, but I will never, ever forget Port Dover's favorite topless lady...
 
short stop said:
I take it you've never been downtown on the Saturday before the parade?
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I have never been to the parade at all sadly. Despite a very large contingent of my hetero female friends who go religiously every year to ogle all the very well kept gay men parading in their underwear.
 
Red695 said:
I have never been to the parade at all sadly. Despite a very large contingent of my hetero female friends who go religiously every year to ogle all the very well kept gay men parading in their underwear.
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The Dyke March is always held on the Saturday, if you're interested in seeing lots of boobage.

I'm not saying it's *quality* boobage, but...........
 
short stop said:
The Dyke March is always held on the Saturday, if you're interested in seeing lots of boobage.

I'm not saying it's *quality* boobage, but...........
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Dammit, why wasn't I informed of this? There must be a committee of sorts who will hear my plea to get these women out again...perhaps this weekend...
 
Re to the "Joey" issue, we can't forget that part of the problem is that we have certain archetypes of male names. It's a bias to think that Joey's a male, because it's a predominantly male name and that's how we're used to defining it. There's a really interesting passage where you read it and even the most gender-neutral people will assume that the nurse is female and that this person has that role, even when the names could be considered ambiguous.

omnivore said:
My youngest brother is gay. He now is bothered by flaming gays...he calls them "queers". He used to be one, and openly admits that he "put it on", as a form of advertising. he said it's pretty easy for hetero people to meet singles that may be interested, becasue, chances are, the majority of the opposite sex is straight. He says that when he acted "flaming gay", he did it so other gay people would recognize it, sort of advertsing his homosexuality, and hopefully that would lead to him being introduced to, or meeting more gay men, and hopefully being able to form relationships with people who had a similar orientation. He now doesn't look or act any different than most men I know, and neither does his boyfriend. I am pretty sure that he is alot more comfortable in his own skin now as well.
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Thanks for that...mind = blown. I always wondered, but could never come up for an explanation for why some gay friends were so over-the-top after coming out. Given that, it's really no different than the guy who acts like an Alpha Male to appear more socially desirable. And since a fair argument can be made about guys who put on the Alpha Male act, I think I finally understand what Just_luc's saying. It has nothing to do with hating gays, it has everything to do with hating the people who are too extra. The only problem is that it's hard to define what it means to be "a normal gay person" aka my next point:

afong56 said:
so i say, what is 'acting gay'? it is a meaningless term. they are who they are, and the question is whether you respect them for who they are, or don't.
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This! I have a black friend who many would say is "white-washed" and whenever people call him that, he calls them out. He asks them, "What does it mean to be black? Am I supposed to be an ignorant gangster who wears clothes that don't fit?" And you gotta admit...he has a valid point.
 
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