PRIDE Parade - Good or Bad?

PRIDE Parade-Good or Bad

  • Good

    Votes: 22 27.5%

  • Not Sure

    Votes: 13 16.3%

  • Bad

    Votes: 45 56.3%
  • Total voters
    80
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sonnythebull said:
Ok to offset the flabby gay men in things and bulldykes in plaid I suggest lipstick lesbian pride day where only hot lesbians can march. Kissing and full sex are not mandatory but encouraged.
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I get the impression that people would be far less prudish if we held this kind of event. :p
 
It's 2012

I care if you are gay about as much as I care if you like ferns. I, personally don't think anything of ferns. Grow them in your bedroom, grow them in your yard.

I don't see why you have to have a parade about the obvious but unless I'm trying to get somewhere and your parade is blocking my route I don't give a ****.

I personally think the over the top gay stereotype "fabulous" types that are "in your face" gay are a bit much but I suppose it's the same as the "I would hit that" hetero types that have to confirm their heterosexuality every time they see an attractive woman.... neither are all that secure or else they wouldn't have to confirm their orientation constantly.
 
Scary said:
I'm old school. And I'm completely anti-pride, I think it's ridiculous. I think homosexuality is abhorrent and I am thoroughly annoyed by its influence in our generation/culture. I am doubly annoyed by the homosexual community's rampant insistence on 'tolerance' while concurrently executing swift judgement towards anyone that does not 'tolerate' their lifestyle. The whole thing is ludicrous and licentious. In the end, it IS their choice to be what they are and not my responsibility to facilitate it, or make it easier to assimilate their lifestyle(s) into acceptable culture.

So yeah, I think the parade is wrong on so many different levels and I applaud the portly little mayor of Toronto for taking a stand and not showing up.
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I disagree that it's a choice. I am straight and it wasn't a decision it's just the way I am.
Did you decide to be straight after studying the options?

Re the parade, as others have said, if you want equality act equal not priveledged.
 
short stop said:
I make no secret that I'm gay, and I'm a pretty "normal", conservative-type person. Having said that I go to Pride every year (work permitting) and always have a blast. I guess I can understand the argument that people make in terms of the nudity and some of the behaviour, but (and this is a HUGE but), like the gay community itself you can't judge the entire week of events based on the activity of a small group.

There is a VERY small fraction of parade goers that engage in 'lewd' behaviour, and thousands upon thousands of others just like you and I who go there to have a few drinks and simply have a good time. Instead of judging your opinion on what you see on the news, how about going for yourselves and seeing what it's really like? The media will always try and capture the most sensational aspects of any event.
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I understand your points, and although I do agree with most/some of them, I think that maybe the solution would be for the police to enforce the same laws they always enforce, and arrest the lewd-behaving ones for the benefit of everyone else. It's no secret that an entire group can be tarnished by a few bad individuals -- look at us vs 'the squids', those who protest peacefully vs the idiots lighting cop cars on fire, etc. The big thing I don't get is why these individuals can get away with it just because it's 'pride day'. If during veterans day, they wanted to go around shoot each other with paintballs down yonge street, do you they'd allow it? You mentioned the media only reporting on the lewd ones (which is common for media to do), but that is also why it's a problem.

I guess what just urks me is when minority groups go on about wanting to be treated normal like everyone else (and they should be), yet as soon as they want bend any rules/laws, they claim they want to be treated differently than everyone else.

D23 said:
I personally think the over the top gay stereotype "fabulous" types that are "in your face" gay are a bit much but I suppose it's the same as the "I would hit that" hetero types that have to confirm their heterosexuality every time they see an attractive woman.... neither are all that secure or else they wouldn't have to confirm their orientation constantly.
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I agree here as well. On a similar note, I always think of the opposite situation -- A group of skanky acting/looking girls parading around with dildos and stripping as if it were a 'Girls Gone Wild' video. Although the guy in me wants to say 'that'd be awesome', realistically I'd say it doesn't belong on city streets. Remove those extreme examples from the equation, and then I agree -- let them have a parade if they really want one.
 
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conundrum said:
I understand your points, and although I do agree with most/some of them, I think that maybe the solution would be for the police to enforce the same laws they always enforce, and arrest the lewd-behaving ones for the benefit of everyone else. It's no secret that an entire group can be tarnished by a few bad individuals -- look at us vs 'the squids', those who protest peacefully vs the idiots lighting cop cars on fire, etc. The big thing I don't get is why these individuals can get away with it just because it's 'pride day'. If during veterans day, they wanted to go around shoot each other with paintballs down yonge street, do you they'd allow it? You mentioned the media only reporting on the lewd ones (which is common for media to do), but that is also why it's a problem.

I guess what just urks me is when minority groups go on about wanting to be treated normal like everyone else (and they should be), yet as soon as they want bend any rules/laws, they claim they want to be treated differently than everyone else.
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In principle I agree.

I imagine from the POV of law enforcement the optics would suck and it would tie up a lot of their resources if they were actively enforce that kind of thing. I'm not saying that it's right, but it is what it is. I don't particular want to see wrinkly old man junk either (and that seems to be primarily who walks around in bondage gear).

But again, in this particular minority group, there is no cohesive 'we' or collective mindset that demands special rights or priveleges. As one gay person, I can't control or demand that other gays "keep in line" in order to stop perpetuating stereotypes. But again, it's a minority of the participants and I don't think it's worth getting my panties in a knot over it.
 
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I have to say, based on what I've seen in this forum in my short time here, I'm surprised this conversation is occurring as maturely as it is! A lot of good points have been made, so I don't need to throw my two cents in since someone else already did for me. Funny thing is, my gay friends feel the same way about the parade. They have no desire to have any part of it for many of the reasons listed above. Anyway, good job keeping the thread clean!
 
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omnivore said:
My problem with the Pride Parade is this: Almost every minority, be it religious, sexual, racial, or otherwise, want equal rights. Perfect. But these minoroties often don't want to be held to equal responsibilities. I won't get into other ones right now, but we are discussing the Pride Parade, so here is my take on the GLBT minorities:

Gays deserve the right to fair treatment, I agree whole heartedly. However, I also feel they should be held to an equal standard of behaviour as well. There is no Straight Pride day where straight people run around in lingerie, behaving lewd in public streets. The argument that being gay was just a difference in behaviour behind closed doors was always a good one. What consenting adults do in their bedroom doesn't affect anyone else, however, they should then leave that behaviour in their bedrooms.
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Very well put, and sums up my view of the Parade as well.

Gay/Lesbian awareness has come a LONG way, and for the most part, they have amalgamated into the rest of society quite well. (atleast here in Toronto)

I get the same feeling about a bunch of folk dancing around half naked and throwing it in the public's face as I do when I see a straight couple groping each other in a public place (ie. a foodcourt). Somethings are just better kept behind closed doors.

On a similar note, making such a huge effort to say "It's OK to be GAY!" is actually doing the community a disservice. Human nature will make a reasonable person think there is naturally wrong, otherwise 'whats with the over-whelming effort..?'
 
short stop said:
The Pride parade has its roots in political activism
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What started as mass protest has grown into one of the largest gay pride festivals in the world. Would anyone actually expect Toronto not to embrace that? People come from far and wide to participate

I live downtown, I'm not gay, but I still like Pride Week.. never a dull moment.

It does bung up the city, the parade starting near my apartment means I won't be riding anywhere today. That's the only thing I'll hold against it :D
 
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nobbie48 said:
I disagree that it's a choice. I am straight and it wasn't a decision it's just the way I am.
Did you decide to be straight after studying the options?
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I decided to be straight after my parents informed me they would disown me if I caught the gay, and what happens to your bumhole if you are gay or happen to go to prison (two lessons in one, my parents were pretty smart).

That conversation followed a previous highlight of my father letting me know he would break my legs if I didn't name my first born after myself, him, and my grandfather. A me the fourth if you will (I'm the third). He was dead serious and has reminded me several times throughout my life
 
I don't disagree with pride. I have many gay friends that attend and are great friends.

What I do disagree with is the public nudity, etc. anything in public especially during daytime hours should be held to the same "equal" standards as everyone else and all other events. No one event should have "special conditions"

I agree with The reasons for the event I just think the true meaning of it gets lost because of the wrong type of media exposure.




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People are still being fired for being lgbt. It's rare but it happens, and smart companies will mask it under other disaplinary actions. People still get beaten up/harassed for it too. When was the last time either action happened because the victim was straight? We've come a long way since people were arrested for being attracted to the same sex but we still aren't 100% there yet either. Our current government was exploring the idea of repealing gay marriage until they realized it would be political suicide for them.
 
gtm said:
I decided to be straight after my parents informed me they would disown me if I caught the gay, and what happens to your bumhole if you are gay or happen to go to prison (two lessons in one, my parents were pretty smart).

That conversation followed a previous highlight of my father letting me know he would break my legs if I didn't name my first born after myself, him, and my grandfather. A me the fourth if you will (I'm the third). He was dead serious and has reminded me several times throughout my life
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So you are saying you would prefer to have sex with men but fear of reprisal from your family made you choose to have heterosexual relationships?
 
09SV650S said:
I don't disagree with pride. I have many gay friends that attend and are great friends.

What I do disagree with is the public nudity, etc. anything in public especially during daytime hours should be held to the same "equal" standards as everyone else and all other events. No one event should have "special conditions"

I agree with The reasons for the event I just think the true meaning of it gets lost because of the wrong type of media exposure.




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Yeah, I pretty much agree with this. I'm straight and to be honest I don't really have any gay friends though I've known a few gay people here and there. However, I think Pride is a great thing for the city's Economy, it's kind of a fun thing to see on a hot July day, and I'm actually kind of proud that the city I chose to live in is world renowned for it's tolerance and freedom to choose what you wish to do in the bedroom.

However, yeah, I don't agree with when dudes rock out with their cocks out cause it's pride so they get special treatment. Although, I suppose you could hit up Port Dover in a couple of weeks and see similar level of nudity. :P
 
I think the full nudity comes from the fact that homosexuality was prosecuted under indecency laws, I think I saw about 10 people (male and female) bottomless out of the thousand or so people in the parade.

I don't want to see it but I figure there are worse things to see.

Speaking of pg rated, why is violence ok but showing love (sex) not ok in movies.
 
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