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Ontario should make winter tires mandatory.

Neil_V said:
Blah, blah, blah, I'm a flat-earther...
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You cherry-pick one debatable video out of thousands.

I run decent all-seasons on both my Jeep and Audi. Michelin Pilot MXM4 on the Audi, Goodyear Wrangler RSA's on the Jeep.
I recently switched over to dedicated winter tires, Blizzak WS-70's on the Jeep and Goodyear Ultra Grip GW3's on the Audi.

The difference is freakin' night and day in winter conditions. Conversely, according to your theory, many people are being had when they select shorter life high-performance, high-grip tires for their bike instead of touring tires, when clearly touring tires are all that's needed for all conditions...

BTW, TMP has a Boxing Day Special on their Advanced Winter Driving Course. I signed up for Feb 8th.
 
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"Another little aggravation i have with this winter tire business is the testing and "science" is coming from the people selling the tires. Clear conflict of interest. The more they "prove" that driving without winter tires is "dangerous" the more winter tires they sell, "

Flaw in logic: Sure, they will sell more tires if more people have a summer set and a winter set, but the miles people drive will not change and the wear is divided between the 2 sets so they will last twice as long. Same amount of tires sold in the long term.
 
Schneller said:
Flaw in logic: Sure, they will sell more tires if more people have a summer set and a winter set, but the miles people drive will not change and the wear is divided between the 2 sets so they will last twice as long. Same amount of tires sold in the long term.
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Right. So having everybody buy a set of tires for their car and a set of tires for their attic is NOT going to improve sales of tires. Noted.
 
fastar1 said:
Right. So having everybody buy a set of tires for their car and a set of tires for their attic is NOT going to improve sales of tires. Noted.
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Attic?

Sorry you don't seem to understand.
 
DJM said:
You cherry-pick one debatable video out of thousands.

I run decent all-seasons on both my Jeep and Audi. Michelin Pilot MXM4 on the Audi, Goodyear Wrangler RSA's on the Jeep.
I recently switched over to dedicated winter tires, Blizzak WS-70's on the Jeep and Goodyear Ultra Grip GW3's on the Audi.

The difference is freakin' night and day in winter conditions. Conversely, according to your theory, many people are being had when they select shorter life high-performance, high-grip tires for their bike instead of touring tires, when clearly touring tires are all that's needed for all conditions...

BTW, TMP has a Boxing Day Special on their Advanced Winter Driving Course. I signed up for Feb 8th.
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I picked a video which stood out in my mind as a prime example of the bending of facts used by some tire companies to create a culture of fear around driving without winter tires. I at least tried to back my statements up with something other then the 'I have, and I feel, so you should too' argument you are making.

About ultra grip bike tires, the few people i know who feel they absolutely need them ride at a very brisk pace on twisty roads, so yeah, it makes sense they want some extra insurance....

and to that point if you drive your car in the snow like you're Sebastien Loeb then you probably need the snows. :cool: So use them, have fun, but to drive to work and back at a reasonable pace for the conditions, you do not need them in southern Ontario.

Schneller said:
Flaw in logic: Sure, they will sell more tires if more people have a summer set and a winter set, but the miles people drive will not change and the wear is divided between the 2 sets so they will last twice as long. Same amount of tires sold in the long term.
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Your absolutely right, and i do agree to a point, but try and think in the terms big corporations do. Its all about next quarter and meeting artificially inflated sales projections which are used to drive up stock value and keep shareholders happy, they seldom worry about what their present strategies will do to the company in the future, they usually just take the 'figure it out when we get there' approach. Take your pick on examples of that thought. And yes I am being ridiculously cynical, I know ;)

All I'm really bitching about is my right to chose. I chose not to run snows and I have had no accidents in 15 years of driving. So explain to me why I should have too? Because someone else feels safer with winter tires? Good for them. Should I have to wear a full race suit, race gloves and boots, CE protectors etc. etc. etc. to head to bike night? I mean its safer right? Is that reasonable. Or maybe we could mandate all bike be like the can-am so no one falls over, and we could add a roll cage, oh and maybe a 4th tire for a little better stability.... lol j/k.... but common, lets crawl outta the cradle.


EDIT:+1 DJM on the winter driving course, should be part of the mto exam imo.
P.S. the earth is round.... ish
 
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Dude, no-one here, other than a few people who are trolling, are saying that mandatory winter tires is a good thing. 99% of the time you dont need the extra grip that winter tires offer over all seasons, but when you DO need it is when you REALLY need it.

Seat belts, how often have you utilized your seat belts? If you never had an accident, there's a good chance you never did, but you will be glad you wore it if you do need it.

In the end, many people here are telling you from first hand experience how much better the grip was when they went from all seasons to dedicated winters....are we shilling for the manufacturer as well?
 
Red_Liner740 said:
Dude, no-one here, other than a few people who are trolling, are saying that mandatory winter tires is a good thing. 99% of the time you dont need the extra grip that winter tires offer over all seasons, but when you DO need it is when you REALLY need it.
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So that 1% of the time that I REALLY need winter tires, I can't just take the bus?

Please sir, tell me what else I can't do.
 
fastar1 said:
So that 1% of the time that I REALLY need winter tires, I can't just take the bus?

Please sir, tell me what else I can't do.
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Apparently you can't debate without condescension.

I certainly believe in choice but, as with free speech, I don't believe in freedom from consequences.
 
RockerGuy said:
... and you gave me an infraction for calling him out for what he is?
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Is this what you want?

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Red_Liner740 said:
Dude, no-one here, other than a few people who are trolling, are saying that mandatory winter tires is a good thing. 99% of the time you dont need the extra grip that winter tires offer over all seasons, but when you DO need it is when you REALLY need it.
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Not the impression I got from what I've read, but lets be honest, I skipped the middle 30 something pages. :p
As for that 1% you REALLY need the winters, it is just my personal opinion that it is often complacency which gets people to that point and winter tires dont help that, they create it. That said, if I lived in North Bay I might feel differently. But I dont :cool:

Red_Liner740 said:
Seat belts, how often have you utilized your seat belts? If you never had an accident, there's a good chance you never did, but you will be glad you wore it if you do need it.
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I'll go back to my previous post and ask agian. Should I have to wear a full race suit to ride a motorcycle? Sure I probably wont need it but if I do.....

Besides that seat belts are not really an apples to apples analogy next to tire type. Maybe a good argument if I wanted to drive around without using tires at all, on just rims.... lol

Red_Liner740 said:
In the end, many people here are telling you from first hand experience how much better the grip was when they went from all seasons to dedicated winters....are we shilling for the manufacturer as well?
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No Absolutely not. But being an automotive technician and driving on average 5-6 different cars a day, some with snows, some without, I don't see the need and I'm not buying in. If you are calm and collected and careful and drive within your limits and the limits of the car, you will be fine, this is not Siberia or even Edmonton for that matter.
 
I think snow tires are a good idea, hard to dispute that they work better. Are they necessary? Maybe not. Are they a good idea? I think so. Having snow tires lets you take your all season tires right down to the wear bars, and not fret about how they will perform in the winter.

Should snow tires be legislated? Naw, not all good ideas become law here, if that was the case, there'd be no smokers,and the missing tax revenue would be a huge loss.
 
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I would never run my 3-season or summer tires down to the wear bars. At that point you've lost most of your hydro-planing resistance.

But that's for another discussion...
 
DJM said:
I would never run my 3-season or summer tires down to the wear bars. At that point you've lost most of your hydro-planing resistance.

But that's for another discussion...
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Well you know what I'm saying, what's fine tread depth for 3 of the seasons is horrible for winter.
 
[h=1]"If people let the government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as the souls who live under tyranny.” - Thomas Jefferson[/h]
 
Neil_V said:
"If people let the government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as the souls who live under tyranny.” - Thomas Jefferson
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The first part of his statement is rather hyperbolic. Who would argue for the government to decide those choices? Is this what is called a "straw man" argument?
 
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