I heard winter tires help. It's a percentage or something.
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Ontario should make winter tires mandatory.
- Thread starter SunnY S
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I heard winter tires help. It's a percentage or something.
Improved stopping distance, better grip at lower temperatures, etc. of course. If your normal stopping distance would be 250 feet in given conditions, and that's improved by reducing it to 200 feet, that doesn't help if the wall you're going to hit is 100 feet away. I should have stayed home.
Ban driving in the winter! Think of the children!!
Ban driving. Think of all the lives it would save!
You wanna make that part of the law, that everyone has to swap their own tires 2x a year? And this will make the roads safer?
kwtoxman's speaks for me on this issue.
They get those conditions in Texas too. Should winter tires be mandatory there too?
What scientific proof? All I see is marketing hype around the +7C figure. Obviously different tires will perform better or worse at different temperatures, there is no single magic temperature at which any winter tire is better than any three-season. If you can provide a link I'd love to try and tear that 'evidence' to shreds.
Everybody raise their hand who thinks this pileup never would have happened if Wisconsin had a mandatory winter tire law.
Drove to work and back on my 1/2 worn 3 season tires that day. No issue. Kinda boring actually.
Actually, the thread is composed mostly of people saying winter tires provide better grip in winter conditions. Like duh. The thing that needs to get hammered into their heads over and over is that it isn't justification for making winter tires mandatory.
Their incidents are illustrations of ignoance (sorry, that's what it is, we all live and learn). Roads are more slick where there is less, or slower traffic since cars warm and clear the road as they drive over it. Coming to a stop sign is a classic place for ice build-up. Same for a parking lot. Even a bend in a road. Just because the road is clear HERE doesn't mean it's clear 3 m ahead. Have to understand he different types of snow/ice/slush hazards and the circumstances that lead to them.
Red_Liner740
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Who are you arguing with? Right now, you look like the homeless dude talking to himself on the corner. Havent figured out how to do multiquote yet? Aww puppy...
Supporting winter tires does not equal supporting mandatory winter tires. Majority have said that a while ago. Including me. You enjoy your all seasons, and i will enjoy my enhanced level of grip that winter tires offer me. Sure, i may not need the enhanced grip 99% of the time, but that one time i may need it, i will be glad i have it.
Actually I did multi-quote. If you had read all of 80 sequential posts just now, you would have known that LOL!
What does "supporting winter tires" mean? Is there an anti-winter-tire faction anyhere? It's like pro-lifers, as if anyone is anti-life!
I'm pro-choice when it comes to tires, and this thread tries to defend the anti-choice position.
So the guy gets bluto one night and blows his load, could happen to anybody.Especially after the way Rob's been bouncing the poor guys head off the pavement.
Blowing your load once in a whike is ok. But when it becomes the norm for him you know all hope is lost
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streeetfighter
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So true
I just had several weeks of catching up to do, that's all.So the guy gets bluto one night and blows his load, could happen to anybody.
Anyone care to comment on what I said?
Sheeple .... you and your heard are slowly destroying the fundamental underpinnings of democracy. Make an informed decision for **** sake.
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As for winter tires and the "science of 7 degrees". Great marketing designed to prey on your fear. As an example, a quality tire like say the Michelin Defender will be every bit as good in the winter as say a lower market GT Radial snow. I have driven on both recently and the Defender is every bit as good as the GT Snow in the winter. Now im not saying that winter tires are not better then all seasons, the Michelin X-ice are better then either of the above for example. But......
Like everything else you get what you pay for, and if winters are made mandatory, many people will be buying lower end winter and summer tires due to budget constraints, leaving them with a potential non-gain in winter performance and a degradation in summer performance. I really fail to see the logic in that.
Another little aggravation i have with this winter tire business is the testing and "science" is coming from the people selling the tires. Clear conflict of interest. The more they "prove" that driving without winter tires is "dangerous" the more winter tires they sell, and having governments buy in certainly increases those figures exponentially. Remember the shortage when Quebec introduced the law? Who benefited most there? Do you really think there isn't some Lobbyist down at Queens Park doing the tire companies bidding on this?
Anyway, i have digressed... back to the "science"
The below vid is a perfect example of the scare tactics being employed by the tire companies. This one has been around for a while and it shows some pretty impressive performance by the snow tire in a direct comparison. The difference is actually shocking on some of the test.
[video=youtube;elP_34ltdWI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elP_34ltdWI[/video]
The problem here is the summer tire is a Conti Sport Contact 3! This tire is the factory equipment on a Porsche Caymen! In motorcycle terms that would be like running a Pirelli Supercorsa down a mud path..... Hardly a fair comparison when you consider most all of us are driving on All Seasons, not High Perf. summer tires.
The difference between an all season and a winter tire would be far less, therefore decreasing the necessary shock value needed to generate the frustrating conversation which I am now engaged in, and thus selling less rubber! Think about it!
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