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Ontario should make winter tires mandatory.

fastar1 said:
Sorry, the study info appeared earlier on; http://www.gtamotorcycle.com/vbforu...es-mandatory&p=1928521&viewfull=1#post1928521

I had managed to find the actual MTQ study online but I can't find it now.
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I really do not understand what you are trying to conclude, since the link you just posted states:
Research conducted by The Government of Quebec in the two years since winter tire use became universal in that province has proven conclusively what tire makers have long known: driving on winter tires saves lives and reduces serious injuries.
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And... even if the improvement is only 2-5% as you stated, that is still enough for me, as I don't mind giving myself every advantage possible.
 
fastar1 said:
Here we go again.

This isn't Quebec! Different drivers, different climate. And according to that quote, TX should make winter tires mandatory! It's just one guy's opinion.

Here's another opinion; http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/story/2010/10/28/nb-snow-tire-policy.html
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What does this link tell me? It has nothing to do with safety, it just says that mandatory winter tires were ruled out in that district for various reasons.

Again, I do not support legislating winter tire use. I agree and support the use of winter tires. To me they make sense. If you don't want to use them, fine, but I am not going to cut you a deal or accept cash when you crash into me.
 
Diesel said:
What does this link tell me? It has nothing to do with safety, it just says that mandatory winter tires were ruled out in that district for various reasons.

Again, I do not support legislating winter tire use. I agree and support the use of winter tires. To me they make sense. If you don't want to use them, fine, but I am not going to cut you a deal or accept cash when you crash into me.
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It tells you they concluded that the safety benefit of mandating winter tires is marginal at best. This matches my opinion on the effects such a requirement would have in Ontario, which you asked about. The same opinion that prompted you to ask for the stats showing 2-5% benefit in QC, the very stats that then confused you about what I'm trying to conclude! And I'm the one who's supposed to be stuck in a vortex?

In any case, what does my choice to use winter tires or not have to do with any of this? This isn't about me, it's about a potential law that offers no net benefit to the province.
 
fastar1 said:
It tells you they concluded that the safety benefit of mandating winter tires is marginal at best. This matches my opinion on the effects such a requirement would have in Ontario, which you asked about. The same opinion that prompted you to ask for the stats showing 2-5% benefit in QC, the very stats that then confused you about what I'm trying to conclude! And I'm the one who's supposed to be stuck in a vortex?

In any case, what does my choice to use winter tires or not have to do with any of this? This isn't about me, it's about a potential law that offers no net benefit to the province.
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Do I have to quote the article you posted?:

The Department of Public Safety in New Brunswick says it has no intention of making winter tires mandatory for the province's drivers, despite the success of such a program in Quebec.Department officials say they do not want to place an undue financial burden on New Brunswick drivers, or those who don't drive when the weather is bad.
Snow tires have been mandatory on all passenger vehicles, taxis and rental cars in Quebec since December 2008.
Vehicle owners in Quebec without snow tires on their vehicles between Dec. 15 and March 15 face fines between $200 and $300.
In early October, the Quebec government released preliminary data suggesting the mandatory snow tire policy had reduced the winter accident rates in the province.
"For Québec as a whole, an 18 per cent reduction is observed in the number of road accident victims during the period of the year when winter tires are compulsory, compared to 13 per cent for the rest of the year," states the news release.
Kevin Lucas, the manager of Bamford's Collision Service Ltd. in Fredericton, said about half the clients in his shop don't use snow tires.
"A summer tire or all-season tire is a harder compound tire that doesn't respond well on cold roads, not to mention ice or snow," he said.
"I would recommend to people to put snow tires on their cars. But it might be hard on our business if they do it."
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Read it again... it is arguing my side.
 
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Diesel said:
Do I have to quote the article you posted?:

Read it again... it is arguing my side.
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If you are arguing in favour of mandatory winter tires in Quebec then yeah, it's an argument in support.

Now read the thread title.

The conclusions don't tell us anything about ONTARIO, they can only be used as a starting point to make a less wild guesstimate of the effects of mandatory winter tires in Ontario. Since Ontario is warmer, the benefit will be less. Since Ontario drivers are worse, the benefit will be less. Since the advantage in Quebec is 2-5%, I guesstimate that the benefit in Ontario will be near zero.

You, on the other hand, are taking Quebec figures and just plonking those figures down on this provice wholesale, without regard for any of the factors of behaviour and environment that I have repeatedly demonstrated to be significant contributors to overall safety.

Why don't you get the numbers from Alaska while you're at it, that'd probably make you feel even smarterer.
 
Mandatory or not......Winter tires just make good plain sense folks......

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/glob...-winter-tires-which-is-better/article8381029/

"Numerous tire tests by a wide variety of public and private groups have conclusively proven the efficacy of winter tires.
Quebec, where winter tires are mandatory, has published data showing reduced rates of crashes and deaths since the requirement was put in place. The Quebec Ministry of Transportation says winter tires shorten braking distances up to 25 per cent over all-seasons and ”improve collision avoidance” by 38 per cent.

Transport Canada tests show all-season tires take twice as long to stop. Tests conducted by the Ontario Ministry of Transportation showed a subcompact car needs 11.6 metres less distance to stop with winter tires compared to all-season rubber. It says a minivan travelling at the same 50 km/h on the same five cm of compacted snow at – 20C required 12.8 metres more distance to stop on all-season tires compared to winters.

Tire Rack, a highly-respected American company, says that tests it conducted on both snow and ice showed dedicated winter tires were able to stop in a shorter distance and turn in a tighter radius than all-season options."
 
I almost got buried by three snowplows on The Gardiner, on Friday, because someone with winter tires wouldn't speed up to more than 20 Kmh while the plows were closing in on us from the side.

It's not winter tires that should be mandatory. It's brains, when you're behind the wheel.
 
My Saab 9-3 with all seasons was a champ driving through the storm and the side streets. It was all city driving but it did it with no problems!

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shadowman said:
FFS guys! A 22 page debate on this??!!
COME ON SPRING!!!!
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Are you going to start a thread asking if Spring Tires should me made mandatory :)
 
Rob MacLennan said:
I almost got buried by three snowplows on The Gardiner, on Friday, because someone with winter tires wouldn't speed up to more than 20 Kmh while the plows were closing in on us from the side.

It's not winter tires that should be mandatory. It's brains, when you're behind the wheel.
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You know the plow drivers got a chuckle gotta that.

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Venom01 said:
You know the plow drivers got a chuckle gotta that.

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Oh, I have absolutely no doubt about that. It was a little less comical to me, while I watched an 8 foot wall of snow coming towards me, with no escape route.

If the guy had been driving any slower I could have gotten out, beaten him to unconsciousness, and then driven away while watching him get buried in my rear-view.
 
That would mean only 2% of the population would be allowed to drive in winter. I'm all for it!

CruisnGrrl said:
Rather than mandatory tires how about seasonal licences. No driving in winter with out a seasonal licence
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Ins companies have started offering a 5% disc for cars equipped with 4 snows. Insurance companies are known for giving away money . Must be nothing to this tire business.
 
short stop said:
I've never put snow tires on my vehicles. I've been driving in snow for over 15 years without any issues. Call me a dumbass, I suppose.
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I don't do snow tires either. I know what causes slides, know how much space to leave for braking. How fast to make movements. Honestly the only part that sucks about all seasons is you get stuck in the snow with no traction easier and it makes getting through intersections slower. I've seen people with snow tires going sideways. I have yet to lose control this year and yes I was at work on Friday and got home just fine thank you.

Only time I ever wished for winter tires was that morning a few weeks back when everything was coated in ice. But I doubt snow tires would have made that drive much better.
 
Rob MacLennan said:
It's not winter tires that should be mandatory. It's brains, when you're behind the wheel.
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+1000000000. Snow tires do **** all if the driver behind the wheel can't drive in winter period. The amount of cars I saw going sideways last Friday was ridiculous I didn't go sideways once with all seasons.
 
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