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Ontario should make winter tires mandatory.

fastar1 said:
"Fact"? Meaning a claim supported by evidence? Show us this evidence and end his thread why don't you?
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Typically winter tires provide a shorter stopping distance than all seasons.
The rubber stays more pliable when it's below 10c.
One cm can change your life or someone else forever.

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BuckWild said:
Typically winter tires provide a shorter stopping distance than all seasons.
The rubber stays more pliable when it's below 10c.
One cm can change your life or someone else forever.
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The claim was that it made us safer. Your purported evidence (I don't see any reference) is that they perform better in winter conditions. You need to tie the two together to demonstrate this "fact".

For example, drivers using ABS will brake faster and straighter than drivers without, yet there has been plenty of industry talk about how drivers in ABS equipped cars were not avoiding any more accidents. That shows that a technical superiority does not necessarily translate to increased safety.

Another problem with your observation, is that lab testing environment may only represent a small portion of the winter road conditions we see in Ontario, so it doesn't tell us anything about the rest of the time. One could equally conclude from your info that Texas should mandate winter tires since they see temps below 10 degrees, and occassional snow too.
 
fastar1 said:
The claim was that it made us safer. Your purported evidence (I don't see any reference) is that they perform better in winter conditions. You need to tie the two together to demonstrate this "fact".

For example, drivers using ABS will brake faster and straighter than drivers without, yet there has been plenty of industry talk about how drivers in ABS equipped cars were not avoiding any more accidents. That shows that a technical superiority does not necessarily translate to increased safety.

Another problem with your observation, is that lab testing environment may only represent a small portion of the winter road conditions we see in Ontario, so it doesn't tell us anything about the rest of the time. One could equally conclude from your info that Texas should mandate winter tires since they see temps below 10 degrees, and occassional snow too.
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I will pick the option that provides a shorter stopping distance.
To each their own.
 
fastar1 said:
"Fact"? Meaning a claim supported by evidence? Show us this evidence and end his thread why don't you?
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Seriously? So in your world driving on tires that are soft vs. hard is not safer?

There are many things that would make winter driving safer, and winter tires are one of those.
 
BuckWild said:
Typically winter tires provide a shorter stopping distance than all seasons.
The rubber stays more pliable when it's below 10c.
One cm can change your life or someone else forever.
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And performance tires perform better in hot summer conditions. Rain specific tires perform better in rain. If 1cm is the threshold to mandating tires then I guess the government shouldn't just stop at winter tires right?
 
fastar1 said:
Winter compounds are softer all the time, does that mean they are safer all the time?
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Tread compound wise yes, but they will not last long on hot roads because they will just be too soft in the heat. An old hot rodder trick was to run worn winters on your sleeper car in the summer because the hook up but do not look performance.

Modern winter tires are about more than just tread compound though so you have to consider what impact things like siping has on tread block stability if you are talking about any kind of performance driving (cornering).
 
fastar1 said:
Winter compounds are softer all the time, does that mean they are safer all the time?
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You keep arguing, yet you don't have a clue how snow tires grip in the snow.

hint: it's not the compound (no point in even bothering to go into durometer). Softer compound tires grip better on cold dry pavement.
 
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FullMotoJacket said:
You keep arguing, yet you don't have a clue how snow tires grip in the snow.
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Show me where I said anything incorrect.

hint: it's not the compound (no point in even bothering to go into durometer). Softer compound tires grip better on cold dry pavement.
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What imnothing seemed to say is that softer compounds are always safer. That's what I'm contesting.
 
Boom King said:
Most AWD systems are auto no? Some might have a switch to turn it off but by default it's on when you start the car each time. At least on the ones I've seen.
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He was talking 4WD youre talking AWD they are two different systems. 4WD you have to switch on, AWD is on all the time, no option to shut it off.
 
boarder360 said:
He was talking 4WD youre talking AWD they are two different systems. 4WD you have to switch on, AWD is on all the time, no option to shut it off.
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Actually, the two are used interchangably.

Some AWD are "on demand"
 
boarder360 said:
He was talking 4WD youre talking AWD they are two different systems. 4WD you have to switch on, AWD is on all the time, no option to shut it off.
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And he was replying to a post that was talking about AWD hence why I was pointing out that most common AWD systems are always on/auto.
 
Boom King said:
And he was replying to a post that was talking about AWD hence why I was pointing out that most common AWD systems are always on/auto.
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whoops my bad, disregard that didn't read far enough back lol.
 
fastar1 said:
What imnothing seemed to say is that softer compounds are always safer. That's what I'm contesting.
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You are a dense one.

You're right, I'm wrong.

No one should have winter tires. They are useless and a waste of money.

Happy?
 
I'm a believer in having the proper equipment when it comes to safety. I don't mind separating with money when my family's safety is in question. For this reason, I put winter tires on our family vehicle which my wife drives over 95% of the time and uses for work as a letter carrier. Yesterday, she was out in the snow all day driving around people stuck in the snow on residential streets that were not plowed. I'm convinced, as is she, that she was able to do this as a result of having the right equipment for the conditions.

My mother fought me for years when it came to winter tires. Sighting that she has been driving longer than I have been alive. I finally convinced her to put snows on her car. Today she is thankful.

Argue all you want, the product works for what it is intended to do. The difference might be between a ditch and your garage. Ultimately the choice is yours. No need to dump on others for making a choice for themselves.

Going back to the orignal question posted by the OP. After yesterday's events and driving past every rice rocket stuck on the road with their slick low profile tires - yes I would have to agree, nanny or not.
 
To all the naysayers, i wish u can just drive once on w. tires on snow & report back to us

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imnothng said:
You are a dense one.

You're right, I'm wrong.

No one should have winter tires. They are useless and a waste of money.

Happy?
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That's ridiculous. What about those who want to benefit from the advantages of winter tires? Like those who drive mainly in the winter, or who live in snowier parts of the province, or who want better traction on snow and ice?
 
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