Now THIS is how you complain.

Typically, only a single rule is being enforced when they're on highway robbery detail, sitting with their radar guns. Our roads would be a lot safer if they enforced other rules such as signaling, right of way and cell phones.


Sure, but almost everyone here will have a horror story of being pulled over for one thing and ending up with multiple tickets.

If anyone was really interested in changing things, they'd be after their Toronto councillor in the city, or their MPP/MP if they're way out in the sticks.
The vocal minority wants more stop signs, more speed bumps, more lower speed limits, more road straightening... ad nauseum.
They're willing to work their butts off to inundate their representatives with their position. What are you going to to about it?

This guy complaining publicly just helps sell his column to suckers.

And yes he is complaining.
 
Then given that people are still managing to crash, kill and injure themselves, we still have entirely too many insane drivers and riders on the road. Without enforcement, how are you going to deal with them?

ahhh.....NO.....your conclusion is WRONG that the carnage is due to "insane" drivers and arguably biased

add your favourite plug as of late.....the van driver responsible for 11 deaths....guess what....he was blinded by the sun and couldn't see the damn stop sign and blew it

people crashing, getting injured or killed on the road is a plain and simple numbers game.....enforcement has zero to do with it

life and circumstances does deal with it, and will continue to do so.....we don't need more cops, courts and lawyers to milk those poor bastards who pulled the wrong number

you claim that without enforcement people will blow red lights and stop signs, and want increased enforcement...and you are the one who is insane

once again....you've clearly had family taken on the road by a bonehead.....cause anybody with a sliver of unbiased common sense wouldn't be looking for an un-reachable goal
 
people crashing, getting injured or killed on the road is a plain and simple numbers game.....enforcement has zero to do with it

This. And slower speed limits cause congestion, which increases the numbers on the road. This is borne out in several studies. Not the least of which is Texas, where politicians and enforcement have kept the speed limits mostly down because of POLITICS and REVENUE, not saving lives.
 
people crashing, getting injured or killed on the road is a plain and simple numbers game.....enforcement has zero to do with it

you claim that without enforcement people will blow red lights and stop signs, and want increased enforcement...and you are the one who is insane

you have no idea what you are talking about. 5 years ago. In GuangDong Province of China, everyone ran every red light. intersections was a mess, people didn't even slow down.

Today. there is a red light camera in EVERY SINGLE INTERCECTION, people stop now.

Enforcement works, maybe you can't eliminate it 100 % but trying to suggest its just numbers is ridiculous and not based on any semblance of fact.
 
life and circumstances does deal with it, and will continue to do so.....we don't need more cops, courts and lawyers to milk those poor bastards who pulled the wrong number

PS. no court or lawyer gives a **** about your dumb traffic ticket. Its complete garbage work. The only reason anyone even does it is because the client (YOU) fight life and limb for every ticket deserved or not - read the HTA forum for proof.

Milking people for their tickets, what a joke.
 
People not stopping for red lights is PROFOUNDLY STUPID. Nobody will (or should) defend that.
 
People not stopping for red lights is PROFOUNDLY STUPID. Nobody will (or should) defend that.

I agree, but the post above suggested that running red lights is a numbers game and that driving towards the sun is somehow an excuse for running stop signs. I am saying those laws should be subject to strong enforcement because: (a) it does work; and (b) the potential harm is great.

I also agree that there is enforcment thats obviously revenue driven /useless, like speed traps on roads where an accident hasn't occured in a decade. But any suggestion that all traffic laws are the same is complete crap.
 
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you have no idea what you are talking about. 5 years ago. In GuangDong Province of China, everyone ran every red light. intersections was a mess, people didn't even slow down.

Today. there is a red light camera in EVERY SINGLE INTERCECTION, people stop now.

Enforcement works, maybe you can't eliminate it 100 % but trying to suggest its just numbers is ridiculous and not based on any semblance of fact.

ever look at an atlas or a globe?.....please check out this awesome country on the northern half of the continent between the Pacific and Atlantic oceans
 
Turbo keeps harping ad nauseam about how great a job TPS Traffic Services is doing with such a meager budget, and one of the senior officers (and ex moto cop) gets sent home for showing up to work drunk. To paraphrase that great American philosopher Eric R. Boucher, Who's gonna babysit the babysitters?

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/02/13/veteran-traffic-cop-sent-home-smelling-of-alcohol-sources

You're putting words in my mouth that were not said, again. Surely you can do better than that? I only addressed the simplistic notion that Toronto cops do nothing but sit around chasing speeders.

As for this cop and watching the watchers, it's interesting to note that he was sent home as being unfit for duty. Who sent him home? Other cops. Who has placed him under investigation by the professional standards bureau? Other cops. Who spoke to the media? Other cops. It seems that the watchers are in fact watching the watchers and the system of checks and balances is working.
 
PS. no court or lawyer gives a **** about your dumb traffic ticket. Its complete garbage work. The only reason anyone even does it is because the client (YOU) fight life and limb for every ticket deserved or not - read the HTA forum for proof.

Milking people for their tickets, what a joke.

hmm....looks like I may have offended a Lawyer?? oh dear

so....the court and lawyer don't give a **** about me and my dumb traffic ticket? and we know the cop doesn't

so how is this not getting milked then?

thanks for that
 
I agree, but the post above suggested that running red lights is a numbers game and that driving towards the sun is somehow an excuse for running stop signs. I am saying those laws should be subject to strong enforcement because: (a) it does work; and (b) the potential harm is great.

I also agree that there is enforcment thats obviously revenue driven /useless, like speed traps on roads where an accident hasn't occured in a decade. But any suggestion that all traffic laws are the same is complete crap.

Yes, it has obviously become about revenue generation, even to the detriment of public safety.

Unfortunately it isn't things, like running stop signs and amber/red lights, that are receiving enforcement in Toronto these days. I see police turn a blind eye to people running red lights, almost every day. Instead I see them doing speed trap enforcement or catching people who are making left turns from the centre lane, from the ramp from Gardiner eastbound to Yonge north, which used to be a legal turn and is almost impossible to make legally, if there's any reasonable amount of traffic on the road.

In fact they enforce that turn while ignoring people who are making right turns from the left lane, from Yonge south to Lakeshore west, which has NEVER been legal, and actually puts pedestrians at serious risk of death or injury.

I once received a ticket for making an illegal right turn from the centre lane of Spadina southbound, onto the the ramp to The Gardiner westbound. I had actually made my lane change, to the right lane, about 50 feet before the intersection but that's not the point (I was not convicted). The point is that even on a motorcycle I had been unable to make my lane change, up until that point, because of bumper to bumper and barely moving traffic as a result of people sitting in the intersection of Bremner and Spadina, from which I had made a left turn in order to go southbound. Rather than get to the heart of the situation, the drivers who were illegally blocking the intersection, police felt the need to hit up the people who were effected by the precipitating infraction.
 
add your favourite plug as of late.....the van driver responsible for 11 deaths....guess what....he was blinded by the sun and couldn't see the damn stop sign and blew it

um, not quite, dude was not licencsed to operate that vehicle...as for blowing that stop sign because the sun was in his eyes, then he's operating that vehicle without due care...it's his responsibility...if he didn't drive in the first place because of his license, he wouldn't have crashed, and those people would not have died...

the article in the paper is the dude whining, far too much of that lately...
 
As for this cop and watching the watchers, it's interesting to note that he was sent home as being unfit for duty. Who sent him home? Other cops. Who has placed him under investigation by the professional standards bureau? Other cops. Who spoke to the media? Other cops. It seems that the watchers are in fact watching the watchers and the system of checks and balances is working.

No, it isn't. He should be held to a much higher standard. So on sentence #1 he shouldn't have been sent home - he should have been put in jail. Everything from that point on is only turbo-relevant.
 
No, it isn't. He should be held to a much higher standard. So on sentence #1 he shouldn't have been sent home - he should have been put in jail. Everything from that point on is only turbo-relevant.

Why if, for example, he didn't drive to work?
 
Why if, for example, he didn't drive to work?

Because, in my opinion, the cops should be made to pay at least double for anything that they would inflict on the public. Minimum. If I had my way, I'd triple every fine, every prison stay and inflict jail on them for even minor infractions - I kid you not. When cops break the law - and they do so with impunity, on the whole - it's worse than just offensive, it's worse than just hypocritical, it's tearing at the fabric of society.
 
Because, in my opinion, the cops should be made to pay at least double for anything that they would inflict on the public. Minimum. If I had my way, I'd triple every fine, every prison stay and inflict jail on them for even minor infractions - I kid you not.

I have no problem with giving police a suitably stiff penalty, for breaching the public trust, as long as they receive the same level of support when doing their jobs. That doesn't seem to be the case.
 
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