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JavaFan said:
agreed

and if you look at the big picture of how the energy is achieved
e-cars aren't nearly as green as they seem to be

but I still think they need to be in the mix
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Noone ever mentions the energy required to build these so called green cars...
Plus... They're pretty much made ouf of oil (plastic) anyway...
Then there's the enviromental impact of those batteries.
'You have any idea re mining for lithium?
Of course... these mines aren't in your country so who cares...
The electric car just trades one pollution for another...
 
It's interesting: if you go to a site like http://www.cbr500riders.com/forum/ you'll see that a lot of the folks buying mid-size offerings are older guys looking to "downsize" from bigger machines to something more manageable. Not terribly many "new" riders.

As bike makers roll out their new downsized products, are they chasing these folks or new riders? The trend in displacements (e.g. Ninja250 -> 300 -> 400; CBR250 -> CBR300) suggests the former, not the latter.
 
crankcall said:
See that's whats interesting about this place, yes I guess I'm a willing slave. I could get on my sailboat and go live near Gilligans Island, (yes I am a slave to my sail boat) or cash in everything and live on the beach. I like my house in the burbs, the cottage and all the stuff. I dont see any mental anguish, lack of freedom or time constraints. At all.
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No mental anguish here. In fact as planed easier with every passing year.


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Blackfin said:
It's interesting: if you go to a site like http://www.cbr500riders.com/forum/ you'll see that a lot of the folks buying mid-size offerings are older guys looking to "downsize" from bigger machines to something more manageable. Not terribly many "new" riders.

As bike makers roll out their new downsized products, are they chasing these folks or new riders? The trend in displacements (e.g. Ninja250 -> 300 -> 400; CBR250 -> CBR300) suggests the former, not the latter.
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Unfortunately little money to be made selling small cars and small bikes.


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Hack said:
Noone ever mentions the energy required to build these so called green cars...
Plus... They're pretty much made ouf of oil (plastic) anyway...
Then there's the enviromental impact of those batteries.
'You have any idea re mining for lithium?
Of course... these mines aren't in your country so who cares...
The electric car just trades one pollution for another...
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yup, those batteries are going to be a problem shortly
rest of the car is not much different ecology wise to produce from ICE units

like mentioned earlier, diesel power is very difficult to replace in HD applications
that type of ICE will be around for a long time, but they are getting better
Tier 4 emissions came to the Canada EQP industry a while back
this has reduced the Nox and soot quite a bit
and diesel power has always been lower for CO2 emissions

referring back to an earlier side topic: millenials, and their different attitudes to vehicles
this type of thought-shift, I think is going to offer the biggest green-gain

public transit improvements and acceptance of car/ride share lifestyle
will make great gains in reducing emissions

but I figure for the next several decades we're gonna see a mix
of e-cars, hybrids, and petrol burners on the roads

and that's okay
no point in forcing a solution that doesn't fit all problems
 
JavaFan said:
yup, those batteries are going to be a problem shortly
rest of the car is not much different ecology wise to produce from ICE units

like mentioned earlier, diesel power is very difficult to replace in HD applications
that type of ICE will be around for a long time, but they are getting better
Tier 4 emissions came to the Canada EQP industry a while back
this has reduced the Nox and soot quite a bit
and diesel power has always been lower for CO2 emissions

referring back to an earlier side topic: millenials, and their different attitudes to vehicles
this type of thought-shift, I think is going to offer the biggest green-gain

public transit improvements and acceptance of car/ride share lifestyle
will make great gains in reducing emissions

but I figure for the next several decades we're gonna see a mix
of e-cars, hybrids, and petrol burners on the roads

and that's okay
no point in forcing a solution that doesn't fit all problems
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Another factor to concider....
There's still 100 years worth of liquid dinosaurs in the ground... We won't see significant increases in the availability of "green" vehicles until all that oil is gone.
Money rules and as long as there's fossel fuels to be profited from.... That's what we'll be sold.
 
Blackfin said:
It's interesting: if you go to a site like http://www.cbr500riders.com/forum/ you'll see that a lot of the folks buying mid-size offerings are older guys looking to "downsize" from bigger machines to something more manageable. Not terribly many "new" riders.

As bike makers roll out their new downsized products, are they chasing these folks or new riders? The trend in displacements (e.g. Ninja250 -> 300 -> 400; CBR250 -> CBR300) suggests the former, not the latter.
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I thought the trend was...get old.....buy a cruiser/harley/goldwing/vstrom?

There are a mix of both, i started on a cbr500 as a new rider
 
Hack said:
Another factor to concider....
There's still 100 years worth of liquid dinosaurs in the ground... We won't see significant increases in the availability of "green" vehicles until all that oil is gone.
Money rules and as long as there's fossel fuels to be profited from.... That's what we'll be sold.
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It's not that easy. With a legislative act governments can "guide" society toward an end goal. Look at CAFE standards, increasingly difficult EuroX standards (e.g. Euro4 and the upcoming Euro5 and beyond.) Emissions requirements will become ever more stringent until they simply say "Passenger vehicles sold must be zero-emissions by 20xx" and that'll spell the death-knell for the ICE as we know it, at least in that market. And that thinking spreads like contagion: What happens in California or Europe soon happens everywhere, at least in the West.
 
Hack said:
Another factor to concider....
There's still 100 years worth of liquid dinosaurs in the ground... We won't see significant increases in the availability of "green" vehicles until all that oil is gone.
Money rules and as long as there's fossel fuels to be profited from.... That's what we'll be sold.
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You are assuming that ICE powered machines will run on dino fuel in the future.There are and will be other alternatives.
 
Wingboy said:
You are assuming that ICE powered machines will run on dino fuel in the future.There are and will be other alternatives.
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Do you have anything particular in mind here? LNG is one of the few available fuels that out-does diesel in terms of specific energy (MJ/kg) but it's still a "dino" fuel. Hydrogen also beats it but you're going to need more energy to produce it as a fuel than you'll get out of it.

Lithium doesn't even come close.
 
Blackfin said:
Do you have anything particular in mind here? LNG is one of the few available fuels that out-does diesel in terms of specific energy (MJ/kg) but it's still a "dino" fuel. Hydrogen also beats it but you're going to need more energy to produce it as a fuel than you'll get out of it.

Lithium doesn't even come close.
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No,but i am very aware that technology is capable of moving forward and adapting to changes when it needs to.We won't abandon fossil fuels until it's desparately close to the end.How long? 50 yrs,100yrs,who knows.Motorcycles have only been around for a century.
 
the manufacturers have no logic. pretty much all manufacturers failed to attract new riders. all the entry level motorcycles are all barebones. the manufacturers give all the features to the high end motorcycles and then put a disclaimer "powerful bike; no noobs". they dug their own grave. my bet on getting new riders are implementing automatics on their entry to mid level bikes.
 
Megamaniac said:
Makes me a better rider .....performance enhancing...in the zone... living the moment
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Seems like you have a history of posting about being intoxicated while driving. Do you really think riding/driving while being high is cool and okay to do? What's wrong with you?
 
Owen said:
Seems like you have a history of posting about being intoxicated while driving. Do you really think riding/driving while being high is cool and okay to do? What's wrong with you?
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QUOTE:
"I get the same thrills if not more rippin corners with the car with a doobie and a coffee now thats impossible on 2 wheels"

then go to the car forums and spew nonsense lol.

are you are related to art robbins or barry sheene? ...lmao
dude, you shouldn't be bragging about smoking and riding. remember what happenned to Ross Rebagleatti .... way worse for you.

Caffeine is a drug ! Beware of the friendly stranger at Timmy's ! Ride straight !
Seriously, we all know its not cool to ride or race high. You will grow up.
 
he hasn't met bubba yet, he smokes the good stuff while driving an 18 wheeler, they're bound to run into each other sooner or later ;)
 
bigpoppa said:
excellent points, i doubt the petrolium industry is ever truly going away
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Apparently it is theoretically possible to make plastic out of air by various distillation processes and hard plastics can be made from compressed vegetable matter. Rubber insulation etc.

One giant step for mankind....................BACKWARDS
 
Just thinking about the thread title and how common the phrase is.

I understand that if your new tire blows due to a defect and you crash you need help fast because the problem came fast.

People ignore their finances for years and then when they are about to lose their house or car they NEED HELP FAST

People misuse the Darwin term. Mother and dad Giraffe didn't say "Let's have a kid with a really long neck so he can get at the leaves up high on the trees". It happened over thousands of years and was affected by a multitude of factors.

Motorcycling has evolved more negatively and suddenly we need help fast.

Every loud pipe, wheelie, mirror kick, century ride, burnout, middle finger and stunt has made a Darwin contribution to the activity.

Name some positive things motorcycles have done to offset the negative ones.

Quickly, because we need help fast
 
nobbie48 said:
Apparently it is theoretically possible to make plastic out of air by various distillation processes and hard plastics can be made from compressed vegetable matter. Rubber insulation etc.

One giant step for mankind....................BACKWARDS
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mercedes use hemp in their body parts...just about anything made with petro product can be made using hemp. just sayin.
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