Trials
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You guys are awesome, if anything is going to bail out the motorcycle industry it's going to be the ones that get out there and ride em. Keep up the good work.
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Motorcycle industry is in deep trouble and needs help fast
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you only a slave to your stuff when you don't acquire your stuff appropriately , and you acquire beyond your means. Sure that sounds over simplified, because it is.
Buy a house outside your 'comfort level', well that might escalate in value, and you need a place to live. Buy a 50k truck, travel trailer, really cool bike and install a financed hot tub and get laid off? well then it gets ugly.
H-D is building new dealerships in the 'gta', they dont have many options under 15k , alleged shrinking market and new shops going up? When sales are down you expand the sales force, basic business. Possibly potential buyers are not cool with being 100kms from a service dealer. MC's are an odd ball in recreation vehicles, if your a sledder you have a tow and trailer, travel trailers get towed back for service, with boats all the mechanics make 'house calls ' to the dock. MC are the odd man out.
Buy a house outside your 'comfort level', well that might escalate in value, and you need a place to live. Buy a 50k truck, travel trailer, really cool bike and install a financed hot tub and get laid off? well then it gets ugly.
H-D is building new dealerships in the 'gta', they dont have many options under 15k , alleged shrinking market and new shops going up? When sales are down you expand the sales force, basic business. Possibly potential buyers are not cool with being 100kms from a service dealer. MC's are an odd ball in recreation vehicles, if your a sledder you have a tow and trailer, travel trailers get towed back for service, with boats all the mechanics make 'house calls ' to the dock. MC are the odd man out.
pfbmgd
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油井緋色;2539911 said:
I'm pretty sure you are the type of driver that should stay off the road . You sound etiltled like most millenias do . Get out of my way I know better . If two people in your car are screening it says it all .
As for the topic insurence is a killer for the industry .
bigpoppa
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every time you have to change the oil/filter, lube the chain, check the tire pressure, pay for insurance, wash/clean the bike, etc etc etc
your a slave, you might be a *WILLING* slave, but your still a slave(and thats ok, if thats what makes you happy, afterall thats why I own motorcycles as well)
If i live in TO, i dont have to own a car, (no parking tickets, speeding tickets, accidents, gas, insurance, traffic etc etc) think of all that mental real estate you just freed up, no headaches. You can take a nap on your way to work, every morning, instead of being miserable in the car, and yelling at cabbies who cant drive.
If i dont own a house, and am single with no attachments, i can leave yesterday, to Thailand, or Colombia, or any ****ing where at any given moment, i dont HAVE to take **** from my boss, what for? I dont have any entanglements. I can flirt with or be with whoever i want for as long/short as i want. (no alimony yay!!!)
sorry to burst your bubbles, but the things that you own, DO own you.
but for some ignorance is bliss as they say, and some are happy being slaves(yes masta!)
Theres nothing wrong with owning things, but just be aware of this, if your ok with the REAL price your paying, in addition to the monetary one then by all means get that mortgage. but your giving up a lot not just money for owning a lot of stuff (money, mental real estate, FREEDOM, time, less headaches etc etc etc)
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Hack
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You could argue that every industry that builds/sells expensive durable goods is in trouble... Ir is going to be in trouble.
Wages are being pushed down everywhere so eventually who's going to have the disposable dollars to spend on what is essentially a toy?
I get a kick out of these people i hear on the radio advocating for the electric car... Lol.
They want gov't incentives to make buying an electric car more attractive to the consumer... Lol.
Unless someone can produce a decent electric car that isn't north of $100k.... They're dreaming.
And those that can afford a Tesla don't need rebates on 'em...
Wages are being pushed down everywhere so eventually who's going to have the disposable dollars to spend on what is essentially a toy?
I get a kick out of these people i hear on the radio advocating for the electric car... Lol.
They want gov't incentives to make buying an electric car more attractive to the consumer... Lol.
Unless someone can produce a decent electric car that isn't north of $100k.... They're dreaming.
And those that can afford a Tesla don't need rebates on 'em...
Bit out of touch aren't you. 
https://www.fleetcarma.com/top-affordable-electric-cars-2017/
and if you add in the cost savings in fuel, maintenance etc it's a no brainer for many drivers.
and of course there is the performance factor....they vehicles it's not wise for a motorcycle to try and take off the line
The Chevy Bolt has a 383 km range and a price of $40k
the eGolf is $36,000 and a 200 km range with 4 hour charging.
..do pay attention.....and yes that is Canadian and if you charge at night you fuel savings are substantial.
https://www.fleetcarma.com/top-affordable-electric-cars-2017/
and if you add in the cost savings in fuel, maintenance etc it's a no brainer for many drivers.
and of course there is the performance factor....they vehicles it's not wise for a motorcycle to try and take off the line
The Chevy Bolt has a 383 km range and a price of $40k
the eGolf is $36,000 and a 200 km range with 4 hour charging.
..do pay attention.....and yes that is Canadian and if you charge at night you fuel savings are substantial.
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My 1998 Goldwing is 20 years old and runs great. Why would I pay $30,000.00 to upgrade?
Oh I know, to impress someone. Oh wait, I don't care if I impress anyone so I'm not buying a bike.
Sales of consumer goods are largely based on ego factors. To keep sales up the makers have to sell the consumer on looking cooler, hotter or faster than the other guy. People post about making practical bikes but who wants to look like a nerd?
Want practical? Buy a car.
If all I wanted to do was ride to Timmies for caffeine a 250cc is a nice bike. Snicker.
What were the comments on the Grom crash when a bunch of Grommets crashed on some twisties?
Ego sells.
Oh I know, to impress someone. Oh wait, I don't care if I impress anyone so I'm not buying a bike.
Sales of consumer goods are largely based on ego factors. To keep sales up the makers have to sell the consumer on looking cooler, hotter or faster than the other guy. People post about making practical bikes but who wants to look like a nerd?
Want practical? Buy a car.
If all I wanted to do was ride to Timmies for caffeine a 250cc is a nice bike. Snicker.
What were the comments on the Grom crash when a bunch of Grommets crashed on some twisties?
Ego sells.
AllistonGT
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Agreed. Those ranges tank once your defroster, heater, headlights, AC are on never mind If its cold outside as it is now. No thanks.
J_F
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agreed
and if you look at the big picture of how the energy is achieved
e-cars aren't nearly as green as they seem to be
but I still think they need to be in the mix
oh? .....we have no coal fired power plants left in Ontario and rarely ever use the gas turbines.
So exactly what is not "green"?
These are daily commuter cars ...the average commuter does no more than 40 km each way so even a 200 km range is more than adequate....
ICE vehicles are dead meat.....hybrids a bit longer life.
Soon enough ICE will be banned, gas stations hard to find...almost as hard as fresh hay for Dobbin
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/10/china-looks-at-ending-sales-of-gasoline-cars.html
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bit extreme....but the wave is coming big time ........
How many people do you think buy a new ICE vehicles in Copenhagen? That $30,000 ICE vehicle becomes $85,500 after taxes.
I guess London UK might be first......already it is very expensive to take any vehicle in .....except EV.
https://www.westminster.gov.uk/electric-vehicles
https://www.westminster.gov.uk/electric-vehicles
AllistonGT
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oh? .....we have no coal fired power plants left in Ontario and rarely ever use the gas turbines.
So exactly what is not "green"?
These are daily commuter cars ...the average commuter does no more than 40 km each way so even a 200 km range is more than adequate....
ICE vehicles are dead meat.....hybrids a bit longer life.
Soon enough ICE will be banned, gas stations hard to find...almost as hard as fresh hay for Dobbin
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/10/china-looks-at-ending-sales-of-gasoline-cars.html
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bit extreme....but the wave is coming big time ........
How many people do you think buy a new ICE vehicles in Copenhagen? That $30,000 ICE vehicle becomes $85,500 after taxes.
I guess London UK might be first......already it is very expensive to take any vehicle in .....except EV.
https://www.westminster.gov.uk/electric-vehicles
https://www.westminster.gov.uk/electric-vehicles
Maybe I’m wrong but has any one of these countries actually passed any of these laws concerning phasing out ICE. I can search the net and find all kinds of stuff. Because until that happens it means nothing. I mean we know it’s coming but I’d bet my last dollar that I will be able to buy a gas car in 10 years. Just saying.
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Would love to know what gov't plans are to replace the gasoline tax(es) currently in place as they push electrification.
As well, if the death of the petroleum industry is drawing nigh what happens to the sources for fuel that powers airliners and container ships, earth moving equipment, first-responder vehicles? Or the lubricants that keep everything moving. Some communities in the north depend on diesel generators for their electricity; what happens to them? Even if a refinery or two stay open to produce distillates from a few-running wells to sustain these niche users surely the cost per litre/gallon would be prohibitive.
As well, if the death of the petroleum industry is drawing nigh what happens to the sources for fuel that powers airliners and container ships, earth moving equipment, first-responder vehicles? Or the lubricants that keep everything moving. Some communities in the north depend on diesel generators for their electricity; what happens to them? Even if a refinery or two stay open to produce distillates from a few-running wells to sustain these niche users surely the cost per litre/gallon would be prohibitive.
AllistonGT
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Never mind the infrastructure that would have to be upgraded across the country to charge all those cars. Sorry can’t see it happening that fast.
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bigpoppa
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excellent points, i doubt the petrolium industry is ever truly going away
J_F
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where do you see that I mentioned Ontario?
and you see no problem having no long term plan for nuclear waste?
Trials
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One of the waste byproducts of candu nuclear reactors is actually one of the most valuable materials on earth! Sadly however that material has only one practical application and that is for making weapons of mass destruction.
J_F
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this is what OPG has to say about it
OPG operates three facilities for the interim management of nuclear waste at the Pickering, Darlington and Bruce sites.
In the long-term OPG is focused on achieving nuclear waste solutions which will last for thousands of years,
such as a Deep Geologic Repository (DGR).
so after 50 years of running nuclear power plants, they are still relying on temporary storage
OPG operates three facilities for the interim management of nuclear waste at the Pickering, Darlington and Bruce sites.
In the long-term OPG is focused on achieving nuclear waste solutions which will last for thousands of years,
such as a Deep Geologic Repository (DGR).
so after 50 years of running nuclear power plants, they are still relying on temporary storage
See that's whats interesting about this place, yes I guess I'm a willing slave. I could get on my sailboat and go live near Gilligans Island, (yes I am a slave to my sail boat) or cash in everything and live on the beach. I like my house in the burbs, the cottage and all the stuff. I dont see any mental anguish, lack of freedom or time constraints. At all.
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