Am i on GTAM or reading youtube comments? Can't tell the difference anymore...
Motorcycle Gang Confrontation
- Thread starter Megamaniac
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Not a single post in this thread that advocates assault or vehicular homicide.
Defending against a threat to ones safety is neither.
Haha, the lady gave an interview. Everyone involved with this situation seems to be stupid. She says she was knocked unconscious by a biker but I haven't seen anything about a hospital visit. If you actually get knocked out, that's not a bad idea. This is a Lochte situation where they are creating stories to justify their bad behaviour. None of that excuses the behaviour of the six riders.
http://www.citynews.ca/2016/09/23/motorcyclist-knocked-unconscious-hwy-401-incident-passenger-says/
http://www.citynews.ca/2016/09/23/motorcyclist-knocked-unconscious-hwy-401-incident-passenger-says/
As I said, escalating an already bad situation has predictable outcome.. Everyone has a cell; call it in and keep your distance. That way you won't have to "Save your wife and children" ... that such a hard concept to grasp?
Dont try and take over a highway so you can ride with your buddies. Why is that so hard? I've given people the finger for blocking me from moving over except they didn't try and smash my window out.
From the eye witnesses stand point so far, the bad behaviour was all one sided.
Be interesting to see if the car rolled trying to avoid killing one of the motorcyclists.
The whole situation stinks. No one should be preventing another from properly using a common area.
Police will be forced to do something or look like they are doing something about the situation.
You guys and gals may be in for some interesting times in the next few months.
“My boyfriend [the driver] pulled up next to them and I rolled down the window and told them to move,” she said.
The motorcyclist “told me to f*** off, so I did the same. Two seconds later he’s three inches away from my window – he could have brushed my hair that’s how close he was – going 100 km/h on a motorcycle.” she said.
So they were traveling at 100kmh? The speed limit? Annoying, but not enraging, no?
kwtoxman
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Ya, because the driver in the first scenario here is fine. Given a medal in fact. You are literally too ignorant to acknowledge any further. :wave:
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...ire-after-mississauga-road-rage-incident.html
yodude
Banned
got a little story here, a few years ago, i was coming to a stop for a left turn at a red light, saw a flash of headlights in my rear view mirror & bam, got rear ended,
got out, dude just looked at me, glazed over eyeballs & said nothing, so i said, umm you hit me? he said "oh sorry" went around me to the right & took off,
my first priority was writing down the plate number witch didn't take long, so there i was sitting at a red, thinking of busting it & going after dude cos he was totally out of it & on his merry way, decided not to & was gonna call 911, when I noticed flashing cherries up in the distance,
so waited for the green, figured i'd just tell the cop ahead what went down & give a plate# turned out same dude had just rear ended the cop & ended up further ahead half on the grass & road at the right curb
when i went to court, i gave my story & about all i saw was what looked like a defense lawyer making mincemeat of his clients due process, language barriers? when exactly was he advised of his rights? did he understand? offered an interpreter? etc
cop didn't seem to be able to easily answer simple basic questions either which i found odd, wasn't a rookie, but was looking real good for perp from what i saw,
another twist was he had ahem "borrowed" the car, i think without telling his bud the owner, so dunno what the ins deal is then
got out, dude just looked at me, glazed over eyeballs & said nothing, so i said, umm you hit me? he said "oh sorry" went around me to the right & took off,
my first priority was writing down the plate number witch didn't take long, so there i was sitting at a red, thinking of busting it & going after dude cos he was totally out of it & on his merry way, decided not to & was gonna call 911, when I noticed flashing cherries up in the distance,
so waited for the green, figured i'd just tell the cop ahead what went down & give a plate# turned out same dude had just rear ended the cop & ended up further ahead half on the grass & road at the right curb
when i went to court, i gave my story & about all i saw was what looked like a defense lawyer making mincemeat of his clients due process, language barriers? when exactly was he advised of his rights? did he understand? offered an interpreter? etc
cop didn't seem to be able to easily answer simple basic questions either which i found odd, wasn't a rookie, but was looking real good for perp from what i saw,
another twist was he had ahem "borrowed" the car, i think without telling his bud the owner, so dunno what the ins deal is then
"Two seconds later he’s three inches away from my window...going 100 km/h on a motorcycle. He takes his fist and smashes my right window off. I told my boyfriend to get off at Dixie road because I was freaking out,” she said.
Wait, does this make sense? Is it really possible to punch a window with such force that it breaks, without destabilizing your bike? (Did she mean mirror?)
Wait, does this make sense? Is it really possible to punch a window with such force that it breaks, without destabilizing your bike? (Did she mean mirror?)
Either way. It's minimum $1000 to replace the mirror on my vehicle. Does an F U warrant that?
yodude
Banned
doesn't sound like you follow aviation sites,
i guess all crash talk participants are idiots there too
hi ho silver lol
i guess all crash talk participants are idiots there too
hi ho silver lol
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kiwi
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you dont seem to understand. They were in all the lanes blocking, so their buddies in the front can stunt. If yo uwant to get pedantic about it all, Regardless of speed limit, you are supposed to move over and allow faster vehicles to pass. That's a concept that the Ontario public cant seem to understand, yet understood in other parts of the country/world etc. Thats a different story though.
These guys were being dooshes. And the driver got annoyed. A lot of people would. Thats how it all started. Hopefully we dont ever see a "next time" where it leads to a serious injury or death.
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There is plenty of "blame" and "stupidity" to go around from ALL sides.
LOTS of speculation. I certainly didn't have to employ my training as a former cop, to discern the male passenger, (later driver), didn't abandon the female as a coward, but instead was in "hot pursuit" of the riders.
For the poster who questioned if "older motorcycle clubs" might provide some direction/street justice to these hooligans. Not for one second will a group like Hell's angels waste a moment of their lives on these guys. As long as the enforcement efforts, (Which they now will be), are focused on these hooligans they are not focused on Hell's Angels.
The two most productive posts in this thread thus far, is Rob's, (advocating for calling 911 if you as a rider see ANY of this type of behaviour), and Bike Cop's which given a specific scenario continually along the process questions who is at fault. It rarely is black and white, and as with most situation the person "at fault" may even swing like a pendulum.
Rest assured, regardless of what the female and her male passenger done, for the general public the "negative view" is now placed squarely on ANYONE who is riding a bike. To them it won't matter if your a 20 year old kid on a CBR1000 or a 60 year old on a 650 Yamaha VStar, we are all now BAD. So if the intent of this group was to "raise awareness of motorcyclists" then your objective has been attained. Unfortunately, you have left a VERY bad taste in everyone's mouths. If this continues we WILL soon see some form of "s172 style legislation," targeted specifically at group motorcycle rides, and sport bikes in general.
Also wouldn't be surprised to see the actuarial fellows at the insurers are already rubbing their hands together at the juicy increases they will implement even further on sport bikes. They will use these rides as justification that there now exists a MUCH greater risk to insuring those style of bikes.
LOTS of speculation. I certainly didn't have to employ my training as a former cop, to discern the male passenger, (later driver), didn't abandon the female as a coward, but instead was in "hot pursuit" of the riders.
For the poster who questioned if "older motorcycle clubs" might provide some direction/street justice to these hooligans. Not for one second will a group like Hell's angels waste a moment of their lives on these guys. As long as the enforcement efforts, (Which they now will be), are focused on these hooligans they are not focused on Hell's Angels.
The two most productive posts in this thread thus far, is Rob's, (advocating for calling 911 if you as a rider see ANY of this type of behaviour), and Bike Cop's which given a specific scenario continually along the process questions who is at fault. It rarely is black and white, and as with most situation the person "at fault" may even swing like a pendulum.
Rest assured, regardless of what the female and her male passenger done, for the general public the "negative view" is now placed squarely on ANYONE who is riding a bike. To them it won't matter if your a 20 year old kid on a CBR1000 or a 60 year old on a 650 Yamaha VStar, we are all now BAD. So if the intent of this group was to "raise awareness of motorcyclists" then your objective has been attained. Unfortunately, you have left a VERY bad taste in everyone's mouths. If this continues we WILL soon see some form of "s172 style legislation," targeted specifically at group motorcycle rides, and sport bikes in general.
Also wouldn't be surprised to see the actuarial fellows at the insurers are already rubbing their hands together at the juicy increases they will implement even further on sport bikes. They will use these rides as justification that there now exists a MUCH greater risk to insuring those style of bikes.
Don't confuse my involvement here (advocating against using your car as a weapon) with defending stunting on the highway and hooliganism in general. They didn't smash out your window? Maybe you didn't escalate well enough. Ask this lady how it's done. Like someone else said earlier, stupid, all around stupid.
warp speed
Well-known member
And insurance will go up in 3-2-1...
I am not questioning the ethics, just the physics.
PLau
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As Raginduck said, it was in reference to what led up to the motorcyclist being run over @ 0:40.
There was no visible hitting the truck or attempt at ripping the door open (though it could have very well happened, it's just us speculating).
Had you read the conversation, you would know what was being referenced. Might want to open your eyes and read the whole conversation before telling others to do so.
Unless someone has another angle of the assault on the vehicle before running them over, the current footage only shows that he ran them over because he was being surrounded.
fwiw, not defending what the riders did on that ride in anyway possible.
Doesn't seem like he could have pulled over without taking out a few riders if he tried and shouldn't be obligated to in the first place.
This is what Lien's wife said in an interview:
It seems like this stemmed from his wife throwing a half eaten plum at the riders which resulted in breaking the side mirror at the 0:40 mark and it all started from there. Basically got frustrated at the swarm so she decided to throw something at them.
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