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fastar1 said:
Do you think it's just a funny coincidence that the very race after Australia where MM was clearly obstructing VR, he decided not to do it again but happened to let JL pass and tangle in almost every corner with VR anyways?

The close racing and constant passing is itself an indication of a 'manufactured' challenge. That's the reason the previous "race" was the most closely fought of all time, outside of Moto3. That's the reason today's "race" between MM and VR was so exciting to watch. It's because they weren't real races, they were games set up by MM to mess up the order.
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I don't find it a coincidence at all. Upon watching the race over again, it looked to me that Vale nor Marc had the pace to match the leading two come race time. And I said earlier, Marc had no idea who was behind him when he got passed by Jorge. In fact, he probably thought it was still Valentino who was behind him. Jorge passed him on the same lap on turn 1 just after the front straight. Marc never looked back so I genuinely believe that he made a mistake, and could not match Jorge's pace shortly after.

Again, is it so far-fetched that perhaps come RACE time Vale and Marc had similar pace?
 
lator-illa said:
I don't find it a coincidence at all. Upon watching the race over again, it looked to me that Vale nor Marc had the pace to match the leading two come race time. And I said earlier, Marc had no idea who was behind him when he got passed by Jorge. In fact, he probably thought it was still Valentino who was behind him. Jorge passed him on the same lap on turn 1 just after the front straight. Marc never looked back so I genuinely believe that he made a mistake, and could not match Jorge's pace shortly after.

Again, is it so far-fetched that perhaps come RACE time Vale and Marc had similar pace?
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NO, but riders with a similar pace don't swap places like that. We've had tons of great races these past few years, can you think of a single one that had two or more riders swapping places as often as these two did?

Obviously people want to believe everything they see on track is pure racing and the colour commentators are there to feed that impression, but it's often not true. An example is rain races when a few riders run away with it, we want to believe they're rain masters when often times they just guessed their setup closer better for whatever the weather turned out to be. Makes for a great show, but it's not real racing. In this case it was also great to watch but it still wasn't racing, it was a personal ego challenge by MM to VR.
 
To good not to post!!
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Go ahead flame away my flame suit is thick LOL!!
 
He left the GP partly because of media onslaught....

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Again I am a bigger fan of MM than VR BUT... go watch the pre race press conference in Australia, MM said that he will only make a pass on the competing (for the championship) riders if he saw a clear patch as he didn't want to cause issues with the two competing riders, he even make a Joke to JL that he will not do the move he did on JL in 2013. I think MM did a few very aggressive moves on VR, I don't blame him after VR opening his mouth on Thursday's press conference.

Race direction did acknowledge that MM actions were wrong and that was a contributing factor on the type of penalty they gave VR.

I also don't think MM was trying to slow down VR, but he definitely didn't gave the same effort to try to keep up with JL.

But at the end, this guy is going to profit from it and be the 2015 champion..
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he should STFU during the conference, he only saw it once, I had to at least rewind it 10 times to even form an opinion (even if the wrong one)
 
lator-illa said:
So basically, what you're saying is that he should just move over because he's not fighting for the championship?
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No, basically, I addressed your comment that there was no evidence that MM slowed down the race.
 
sempre1 said:
As far i concern that little prick ( mm ) pick the fight with VL and literaly you can see the way it was overly aggressive with Vale - I'm not saying that VL is right what he did but at the end i feel mm won the case and Rossi last the championship because of him. End of the story!
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rossi has possibly lost the championship because of his own action. not because of mm.
 
boyoboy said:
rossi has possibly lost the championship because of his own action. not because of mm.
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If you subscribe, as I do, to the view that MM took a dive, a la footy, you'll see that Moto GP is becoming a huge farce. They should clean up the sport, start by giving the hockey parents less motive. Kids don't thrive as model citizens under that kind of oppression. The tell tale **** eatings grins these midgets regularly sport on q belies the stockholmn syndrome they must labour under. All for a buck and misguided glory. It's a sad spectacle to witness once you know whats going on.
 
With MM out of championship contention I can see his motivation in all this to ensure the title remains in Spain.
 
joed66 said:
With MM out of championship contention I can see his motivation in all this to ensure the title remains in Spain.
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It's almost as though MM will 'co-share' this title since he cannot on his own ;)
 
Just watched a few interviews, namely with VR, MM, JL. Also with Lin Jarvis. I never thought I'd ever say something like this, but my gut feeling is that I wish JL wipes out in Valencia (without physical harm, of course). Can't stand him, and even though he is clearly a talanted rider, I have zero respect for him as a person.
 
I sincerely think Rossi's hand gestures coming out of turn 8 a couple laps earlier were of the "either pass me and pull us up to Lorenzo or get the hell out of my way" variety. Also don't think Vale kicked his handle bar as MM insist, but Vale did open himself up to that type of criticism with his actions, and to be frank, Marc has shown himself to be a bit of a self-righteous snake over the years (dive?). You knew going into the race if they got close Marc was going to make it silly. I wonder what opinion would be if Marc had clipped Vale's front wheel the corner before when he closed the door mid corner.. Would it have been Vale's fault for being there? Just racing? or would it have been deemed excessive? He was taking huge risk around Vale, I don't think Vale being upset is unreasonable.

Regardless, I've been telling people for months I thought Lorenzo could win it, to bad its going to be tainted with contravresy if he does.

On a side note, STFU Casey, we stopped caring what you thought when you quit haha
 
Even Nascar has a 'no sand bagging' rule.
 
It's sad that JL would want a win of championship like this, but he is all for it...what a looser. I see MM keep trying to cut back in to VR and yet he could have just braked after all they were going super slow. I have to wonder if he droped it to make it look better, there was a few feet of track to play with to his left.
 
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