MotoGP 2015

[fastar1]

Are you Marquez's engineer or perhaps God? How did you know for sure that Marc deliberately slowed Rossi down?

I watched and understood the events that happened in the race. That's how I know. Marquez almost sits up on his bike waiting for Lorenzo to pass. Then he slows up in front of Rossi everywhere where passing is difficult, and attacks like mad when Rossi is ahead.

That's just Sepang. Philip Island was even more blatant. No need to be an engineer or to be God, you just have to understand racing, and MM's antics aren't racing.

 

[fastar1]

Sorry, to clarify, I was particularly referring to Iannone since they are pals off the track... that and the fact Dovi hasn't been a factor in months

and you're right, it's definitely more about Rossi than any Spanish allegiance

I think there will be three camps in the next race amongst all the riders; those who are pro-Rossi, those who are indifferent, and then Marques. It will be interesting to see who the pro-Rossi camp are, but it won't be divided along nationality lines.

 

[fastar1]

I knew something like this was going to happen. I told friends and the wife that one of the top five was gonna go down in a controversial move and it happened.
I'm a rossi fan but don't agree with what he did at all. It's a shame really considering this year has been a great championship. He should have kept his head. Now I really don't care who wins as if feel the championship is tainted, big time.
If rossi somehow wins, it can be said he wasn't punished enough and was lucky to win with such a dick move.

If lorenzo wins, it would be because of Marquez help the last two races people will argue. No matter how much overy the years I've tried to like him, I just can't with the things he says.

Marquez will be known as toying with other riders and helping lorenzo.

Either way I'm not happy with any of the parties actions or statements. Its all kind of childish school games.Sad really.
Anything can happen in the last race, but not sure if I care.

Exactly right, but I don't see how Rossi is to blame except for misjudging his move today. He had to say something to get the idea out there that Marques is making a joke of the races, and messing up his title chances in the process.

 

[dieselxx]

I think there will be three camps in the next race amongst all the riders; those who are pro-Rossi, those who are indifferent, and then Marques. It will be interesting to see who the pro-Rossi camp are, but it won't be divided along nationality lines.

I don't believe any of the riders will be pro-rossi as it was kind of a d*** move, and no rider wants to see that really regardless of the toying around Marquez did.

Also what did pedrosa say about rossi as I must have missed that.

 

[inreb]

How many times have you stuck an elbow out on a MX track, not to upset the other rider but to balance and protect yourself? No malicious intent. This was a convenient time to do the same with knee. 50/50.

This twitter has a nice slow mo of the incident

https://twitter.com/bang10/

You can see it plain as day in the twitter slomo above. Instead of doing something else MM turns into VR with VR doing the bouncy knee thing to protect, cushion and balance. What did he say afterwards? My foot slipped off the peg? Oops.

 

[dieselxx]

Exactly right, but I don't see how Rossi is to blame except for misjudging his move today. He had to say something to get the idea out there that Marques is making a joke of the races, and messing up his title chances in the process.

Well he clearly admitted he pushed him wide and you can clearly see it on the footage. I really don't believe he meant to have Marquez fall. But that's not the point, the point is he did wrong. He deserved the penalty. I have said that all parties are guilty for these crazy games.

I wondered how the past 2 races we've been seeing alot of back and forth crazy passes of which I really haven't seen much of over the years. Clearly fabricated by Marquez pace setting. But that still doesn't make rossi,s actions justifiable.

 

[chimera]

 

[justmike]

This twitter has a nice slow mo of the incident

https://twitter.com/bang10/

Marquez could easily have picked it up and avoided contact, but instead it looks like he accelerates and leans in. Even though I've always liked him, I could easily be convinced that he was trying to take Rossi out.

 

[fastar1]

Well he clearly admitted he pushed him wide and you can clearly see it on the footage. I really don't believe he meant to have Marquez fall. But that's not the point, the point is he did wrong. He deserved the penalty. I have said that all parties are guilty for these crazy games.

I wondered how the past 2 races we've been seeing alot of back and forth crazy passes of which I really haven't seen much of over the years. Clearly fabricated by Marquez pace setting. But that still doesn't make rossi,s actions justifiable.

Oh yeah for the collision and crash that's on Rossi's shoulders, sure. I'm talking about everything else that's messing up the whole title race. Rossi had to speak up. He hasn't been an instigator of any of this until today when he tried to drive Marques wide and caused him to crash.

This all started with MM playing games with Rossi's championship battle. That's what's ruined the season (and possible the sport for many years to come if the sanctioning body doesn't put a stop to that kind of game playing).

 

[GixxerL2]

I don't remember Rossi being on Simoncelli's side when he broke Padrosa's collarbone and cost him the championship... do you?

I was referring to Dani's comment about when he disagreed with Rossi about aggressive riding. I believe Dani didn't like Marc's riding style.


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[lator-illa]

I watched and understood the events that happened in the race. That's how I know. Marquez almost sits up on his bike waiting for Lorenzo to pass. Then he slows up in front of Rossi everywhere where passing is difficult, and attacks like mad when Rossi is ahead.

That's just Sepang. Philip Island was even more blatant. No need to be an engineer or to be God, you just have to understand racing, and MM's antics aren't racing.

Come on dude, you need to watch the race again. Lorenzo passed Marquez on lap 4, the same lap that he passed Vale earlier on turn 1. For all Marquez knew, he probably thought Vale was still behind him (based on pit boards perhaps)? What I saw there is he made a mistake and Lorenzo took advantage. Is it really that unbelievable that perhaps, Marc couldn't match his pace? Why now all of a sudden that when someone dominates free practice or warmup, is that automatically they should be dominating the race?? How many times have we seen that FP and QP is not indicative of race pace (especially a track like Sepang where it gets hotter in the afternoon!).

I disagree here that whoever is not in contention for the championship, they should just move over. Uhhh in that case, let's just take Lorenzo and Rossi and they race head to head. I've seen many posts already that Marc should've left the fight and let Vale go and not make any bold passes. But Rossi has done the same in the past. Why the selective memory? Why the double standard?

 

[GixxerL2]

I watched and understood the events that happened in the race. That's how I know. Marquez almost sits up on his bike waiting for Lorenzo to pass. Then he slows up in front of Rossi everywhere where passing is difficult, and attacks like mad when Rossi is ahead.

That's just Sepang. Philip Island was even more blatant. No need to be an engineer or to be God, you just have to understand racing, and MM's antics aren't racing.

Of course you understood racing well, being a professional racer you were. Growing up watching Mick Doohan and Kevin Schwantz on TV, I didn't know that you were actually racing with these guys. No wonder you know all the racing techniques.


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[Corsara]

Valencia news: Following Sepang incident, Rossi started from the back of the grid. Apparently inspired by his rivals' tactics, once the race started Rossi cruised around enjoying the fresh air. When he finally reached Turn 1, he turned back and saw the leader of the race, Lorenzo, going through the finish line completing his first lap. Catching up with Rossi, Lorenzo decided to overtake him on the inside, when Rossi suddenly decided to take a sharp lean towards the apex. Both contenders for the title collided and unfortunately could not finish the race as their Yamahas were destroyed in the crash.

 

[lator-illa]

Valencia news: Following Sepang incident, Rossi started from the back of the grid. Apparently inspired by his rivals' tactics, once the race started Rossi cruised around enjoying the fresh air. When he finally reached Turn 1, he turned back and saw the leader of the race, Lorenzo, going through the finish line completing his first lap. Catching up with Rossi, Lorenzo decided to overtake him on the inside, when Rossi suddenly decided to take a sharp lean towards the apex. Both contenders for the title collided and unfortunately could not finish the race as their Yamahas were destroyed in the crash.

I'm willing to bet 99% of his fans will see this as a justifiable action and that Lorenzo would be at fault.

 

[dieselxx]

I agree. I was hoping during the race against Marquez, rossi would just sit there and suck it up, I kept screaming at the wifey "don't take eachother out and just sit there, worst case you get fourth place". It was clear to me Marquez was d****ng around but I didn't envision vale getting that frustrated lol. Oh well.
I think the three JL, valentino, MM really didn't do anything to help themselves out today lol.

 

[chimera]

^^^^ I was saying the same thing.... VR to just not risk anything and salvage 4th and then give it his all at the last round, I was worried that he would crash as he had his foot slip off at one point battling with MM before the big incident.
****** end to the season and championship as I was excited that this year it was going to come down to the last round for someone to win, but not like this.

 

[fastar1]

Come on dude, you need to watch the race again. Lorenzo passed Marquez on lap 4, the same lap that he passed Vale earlier on turn 1. For all Marquez knew, he probably thought Vale was still behind him (based on pit boards perhaps)? What I saw there is he made a mistake and Lorenzo took advantage. Is it really that unbelievable that perhaps, Marc couldn't match his pace? Why now all of a sudden that when someone dominates free practice or warmup, is that automatically they should be dominating the race?? How many times have we seen that FP and QP is not indicative of race pace (especially a track like Sepang where it gets hotter in the afternoon!).

I disagree here that whoever is not in contention for the championship, they should just move over. Uhhh in that case, let's just take Lorenzo and Rossi and they race head to head. I've seen many posts already that Marc should've left the fight and let Vale go and not make any bold passes. But Rossi has done the same in the past. Why the selective memory? Why the double standard?

If you look at just that one pass in isolation then I agree with you.

You have to look at it in context. It's funny how every possible alternative explanation for each one of Marquez's 'hiccups' results in JL getting ahead and VR getting tangled in MM's pace, for the last two races. So with the right context it's perfectly clear when you watch the race to see that MM deliberately opened the door for Lorenzo. BTW his pit board would have shown him JL was the one behind at that point, since JL passed Rossi at the start of lap two and then got by MM on lap 3 (you'd know that if you watched the race). It's obvious that he slowed for VR in select parts of the track then gunned it to stay ahead or re-pass him.

Nobody is saying that riders should move over for title contenders. Iannone didn't do it last week, he tangled with Rossi in a great battle and nobody complained about him. When you say something like that it suggests you don't even understand the problem to begin with.

 

[fastar1]

Of course you understood racing well, being a professional racer you were. Growing up watching Mick Doohan and Kevin Schwantz on TV, I didn't know that you were actually racing with these guys. No wonder you know all the racing techniques.

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Actually I'm an ignoramus and a moron. I guess that all we need to know to show that MM did nothing wrong, eh?

 

[dieselxx]

^^^^^^ I agree with you on most points. But to me it looked like Marquez made a mistake and ran wide. Lorenzo picked up the pieces as he rode a great first few laps and was on a terror.
These riders race with eachother 8 months of the year through practice quali and racing. I'm sure they know each other's strengths and weaknesses and when they are F*****ng around with eachother. Maybe some guys that race track every weekend can chime in.
However having said that, didn't really make VR actions justifiable. They are both wrong and rossi screwed himself for the championship. Now he needs luck and a hell of a race to win.

 

[lator-illa]

Sorry, regarding the pitboard thing, that was my mistake. Lorenzo did pass Rossi on the second lap. However, I still don't buy it. Call me naive, but I refuse to believe that Marquez is purposely helping Lorenzo win the world title. These two aren't exactly best friends. In fact, I don't think the other spanish riders are too fond of Lorenzo. Now all of a sudden, they're conspiring behind the scenes plotting against Rossi? To me, it sounds more far-fetched than Marquez actually losing his pace.

Unless I see the telemetry of both riders, i'll reserve judgement on who's sandbagging and who's actually suffering from their pace. So right now, it seems that Rossi is getting the benefit of the doubt because whatever he says is gospel truth.

Where I stand on this, both of them are in the wrong. Rossi blew his lid and got tangled with another hot-head and he's partly to blame for ruining his championship run.