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dieselxx said:
^^^^^^ I agree with you on most points. But to me it looked like Marquez made a mistake and ran wide. Lorenzo picked up the pieces as he rode a great first few laps and was on a terror.
These riders race with eachother 8 months of the year through practice quali and racing. I'm sure they know each other's strengths and weaknesses and when they are F*****ng around with eachother. Maybe some guys that race track every weekend can chime in.
However having said that, didn't really make VR actions justifiable. They are both wrong and rossi screwed himself for the championship. Now he needs luck and a hell of a race to win.
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Sure the penalty was earned and it's his own fault. But his championship has also been hurt by MM who helped Jorge and hindered Rossi by harassing him on track for the last two races.

So if it wasn't for Rossi's bad move today, he'd have a strong chance at a title next weekend. But at the same time if it wasn't for Marquez meddling with the outcome he'd be at least 3 points further ahead than he is, and Jorge would be 7 points further back than he is. That's a that's a 17 point advantage he'd have over Jorge instead of the current 7 points, solely due to Marquez's malicious interference.
 
lator-illa said:
Sorry, regarding the pitboard thing, that was my mistake. Lorenzo did pass Rossi on the second lap. However, I still don't buy it. Call me naive, but I refuse to believe that Marquez is purposely helping Lorenzo win the world title. These two aren't exactly best friends. In fact, I don't think the other spanish riders are too fond of Lorenzo. Now all of a sudden, they're conspiring behind the scenes plotting against Rossi? To me, it sounds more far-fetched than Marquez actually losing his pace.

Unless I see the telemetry of both riders, i'll reserve judgement on who's sandbagging and who's actually suffering from their pace. So right now, it seems that Rossi is getting the benefit of the doubt because whatever he says is gospel truth.

Where I stand on this, both of them are in the wrong. Rossi blew his lid and got tangled with another hot-head and he's partly to blame for ruining his championship run.
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I suspect he's motivated by some kind of animosity towards Rossi rather than any friendliness towards Jorge. And I don't hink Jorge is complicit. He doesn't need to do anything to benefit from Marc's meddling ways.

Anyways, I appreciate that you can't believe it, because it's a pretty serious accusation against MM since it's such a distasteful thing to be doing. It should require a very high degree of confidence in the information to be able to level such an accusation, it just happens that I have that level of confidence based on everything I've seen. One of the many clues was the corner 7-8 combo today, where it's impossible to pass because the bikes need to use the full width of the track, left-right-left-right-left, to get around. Of course, Rossi closed up very quickly in those corners to where he was almost touching MM's rear wheel. That's just not something you see in a normal racing situation.

There are so many instances like that it's plainly obvious to me and I feel like I have to defend Rossi whenever someone says MM did no wrong. But for those who are on the fence, I can understand. It's a difficult accusation to make.
 
Jlo did the same thing couple years ago when he was trying to slow down the race and holding pedrosa back and jlo ran pedrosa off the track on a pretty aggressive move and pedrosa lost 3 spots. Jlo should keep his mouth shut.

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fastar1 said:
Nobody is saying that riders should move over for title contenders. Iannone didn't do it last week, he tangled with Rossi in a great battle and nobody complained about him. When you say something like that it suggests you don't even understand the problem to begin with.
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So when Iannone did that Rossi was fine and when MM did the same he wasn't? In fact there was one Iannone's dangerous move that almost hit MM n Rossi in one pass. Surely Rossi fans weren't happy with Iannone after the Aussie race but they didn't say anything bad about MM until Rossi openly accused MM of slowing him down in that race.

So I guess to Rossi (and his fans), he should just race with JLo and the rest of the riders to just sit tight and watch on TV. That way, no one would get involved in their battle and slow Rossi down. Or perhaps throw in Iannone n Petrux in the race since they are Rossi's friends and they won't do any harm to Rossi's championship.

What also shocked me is that no one noticed that MM was always a bit slow at the corner where he nearly crashed 3 times on Friday n Saturday. He just didn't have confidence at that corner but was fast anywhere else.


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fastar1 said:
I suspect he's motivated by some kind of animosity towards Rossi rather than any friendliness towards Jorge. And I don't hink Jorge is complicit. He doesn't need to do anything to benefit from Marc's meddling ways.

Anyways, I appreciate that you can't believe it, because it's a pretty serious accusation against MM since it's such a distasteful thing to be doing. It should require a very high degree of confidence in the information to be able to level such an accusation, it just happens that I have that level of confidence based on everything I've seen. One of the many clues was the corner 7-8 combo today, where it's impossible to pass because the bikes need to use the full width of the track, left-right-left-right-left, to get around. Of course, Rossi closed up very quickly in those corners to where he was almost touching MM's rear wheel. That's just not something you see in a normal racing situation.

There are so many instances like that it's plainly obvious to me and I feel like I have to defend Rossi whenever someone says MM did no wrong. But for those who are on the fence, I can understand. It's a difficult accusation to make.
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I also refuse to believe because I feel Marquez isn't THAT much of a superior rider to Rossi. By conceding that is essentially saying Rossi is second rate to Marquez, that he can just be toyed with. lol

And let's be honest, there are far more people defending Rossi than Marquez. A lot blinded by their yellow tinted glasses that they see Rossi having zero fault in this.
 
95teggy said:
This twitter has a nice slow mo of the incident

https://twitter.com/bang10/
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how can ANYONE blame rossi for this,
if you're in front, you are in position to dictate the line and pace, that's just simply defending the line it's not rocket science.
and Rossi was VERY good and making these impossibly harsh move, MM looked like he got angry with rossi's dick move and did something even stupider

slo mo says it all, MM leaned in to rossi and that made himself crashed, rossi is free to run any line he wants any which way you cut it
i'm more amazed rossi can fend himself off of MM with that knee shimmie at that speed and still stabilize the bike

and motoGP jurisdiction is corrupt as f*, they figure vale is on his way out so of course they wanna crown a new champion, it's a no-brainer investment. Do i agree with it? hell no but it's just good business for the top brass
had to be 3 points, just enough to put vale to the back of the grid, sure, let's just hand the title to lorenzo while you're at it

grossly tasteless, it's s* like these that make me wanna stop caring altogether
 
N3WMAN said:
I just feel bad for Pedrosa. The guy rode a master class and it gets completely overshadowed by this sideshow.
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That's part of the problem. We don't know how well he did because Marquez didn't even try to race him. Look at the last race, Lorenzo won when he was only 4th fasted throughout the whole race.

This MM issue is overshadowing everything, making a mockery of the sport we're supposed to love.
 
sunset said:
how can ANYONE blame rossi for this,
if you're in front, you are in position to dictate the line and pace, that's just simply defending the line it's not rocket science.
and Rossi was VERY good and making these impossibly harsh move, MM looked like he got angry with rossi's dick move and did something even stupider

slo mo says it all, MM leaned in to rossi and that made himself crashed, rossi is free to run any line he wants any which way you cut it
i'm more amazed rossi can fend himself off of MM with that knee shimmie at that speed and still stabilize the bike

and motoGP jurisdiction is corrupt as f*, they figure vale is on his way out so of course they wanna crown a new champion, it's a no-brainer investment. Do i agree with it? hell no but it's just good business for the top brass
had to be 3 points, just enough to put vale to the back of the grid, sure, let's just hand the title to lorenzo while you're at it

grossly tasteless, it's s* like these that make me wanna stop caring altogether
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Ha..ha.ha.. You and fastar made me laugh today. I clearly don't understand why Apple fanboys lined up all night to get the next iPhone so yeah I don't get you either.


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sunset said:
how can ANYONE blame rossi for this,
if you're in front, you are in position to dictate the line and pace, that's just simply defending the line it's not rocket science.
and Rossi was VERY good and making these impossibly harsh move, MM looked like he got angry with rossi's dick move and did something even stupider

slo mo says it all, MM leaned in to rossi and that made himself crashed, rossi is free to run any line he wants any which way you cut it
i'm more amazed rossi can fend himself off of MM with that knee shimmie at that speed and still stabilize the bike

and motoGP jurisdiction is corrupt as f*, they figure vale is on his way out so of course they wanna crown a new champion, it's a no-brainer investment. Do i agree with it? hell no but it's just good business for the top brass
had to be 3 points, just enough to put vale to the back of the grid, sure, let's just hand the title to lorenzo while you're at it

grossly tasteless, it's s* like these that make me wanna stop caring altogether
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Yep, Rossi is zero at fault. Would you feel the same if the situations were reversed?

And you're way too invested in one rider, bud. It's not healthy.
 
Continue the comments of former major of the championship on contact between Valentino Rossiand Marc Marquez at Sepang. Not issue an opinion but a sigh of relief Troy Bayliss: " All I can say is that Valentino and Marc could not run well throughout the race. I'm glad that it happened at low speed. "
Jeremy McWilliams is rather critical of Jorge Lorenzo, guilty of being in race direction expressing his disappointment : "Lorenzo was not to interfere - says the British driver - the decision concerns only Rossi and Marquez. " The same opinion is administrator director of Yamaha Lin Jarvis , who, as reported by SkySport, seems not to have appreciated the meddling of its pilot in the jury's decision.

taken from http://www.oasport.it/2015/10/motog...-lin-jarvis-lorenzo-non-doveva-intromettersi/
 
fastar1 said:
That's part of the problem. We don't know how well he did because Marquez didn't even try to race him. Look at the last race, Lorenzo won when he was only 4th fasted throughout the whole race.

This MM issue is overshadowing everything, making a mockery of the sport we're supposed to love.
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Pedrosa was half a second quicker than everyone in quali. I don't think anyone was going to touch him regardless.
 
sunset said:
how can ANYONE blame rossi for this,
if you're in front, you are in position to dictate the line and pace, that's just simply defending the line it's not rocket science.
and Rossi was VERY good and making these impossibly harsh move, MM looked like he got angry with rossi's dick move and did something even stupider

slo mo says it all, MM leaned in to rossi and that made himself crashed, rossi is free to run any line he wants any which way you cut it
i'm more amazed rossi can fend himself off of MM with that knee shimmie at that speed and still stabilize the bike

and motoGP jurisdiction is corrupt as f*, they figure vale is on his way out so of course they wanna crown a new champion, it's a no-brainer investment. Do i agree with it? hell no but it's just good business for the top brass
had to be 3 points, just enough to put vale to the back of the grid, sure, let's just hand the title to lorenzo while you're at it

grossly tasteless, it's s* like these that make me wanna stop caring altogether
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That twitter GIF is not the whole picture at all. Rossi was not defending any known racing line, he wasn't at speed, and he was focused on MM. Basically he started playing games with MM and it went very badly for him.
 
fastar1 said:
That twitter GIF is not the whole picture at all. Rossi was not defending any known racing line, he wasn't at speed, and he was focused on MM. Basically he started playing games with MM and it went very badly for him.
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The twitter GIF shows why this discussion is taking place in that MM went down. If MM had merely rammed VR without consequence nobody would know the difference. It might be like me ramming my head into your fist, if nothing happened, the worst is I look like bozo. If, on the other hand, I require full facial reconstruction you may be charged with assault.
 
My view is that the whole incident is sketchy and should never have happened in a professional racing situation. That being said I don't think Rossi intended for Marquez to crash. I believe he wanted to slow him down to try and break up the battle because Rossi looked(to me) to have the pace to get away if it weren't for the back to back straights where the Honda pulls the Yamaha. You could argue that Marquez was able to pass him in the infield as well but a lot of the passing was because one or both of them were off line making the previous pass setting them up to be re-passed almost immediately.

The heli view looks to me like Rossi pushed him out to within a few feet of the edge of the track, unlike Marc's claim of being on the grass, then Marquez turned down and accelerated into Rossi which hits his leg with the bar and pushes his leg off the peg. At that point Rossi pushes his leg out and it hits the front brake of Marquez's bike and tucks the front. It does not look to me like Rossi kicked his bike intentionally to try and hit the brake as by that point he was no longer looking at Marquez and that would be damn difficult to achieve on purpose. Ultimately it looks to me like Rossi pushing his leg out is what caused Marquez to tuck the front but why Marquez accelerated down on him is beyond me.

I don't race at anywhere near this level, but in my own experience with coming in contact with another rider on track recently I did stick my elbow out instinctively to try and hold them off of hitting any of my controls. Whether or not that is what's going on with Rossi is only known to him I suppose.

I think Rossi definitely got frustrated and snapped which led to what happened and the penalty is justified. It shouldn't have happened and Rossi is now going to suffer and potentially lose the championship because of it.

Whether or not Marquez was deliberately sandbagging to tangle with Rossi is a whole other subject entirely. There sure are a lot of coincidences that worked out in Lorenzo's favour to support this theory.
 
BREAKING NEWS!!!!

Marquez to sue the Doctor for malpractice!
 
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