MotoGP 2015

[boyoboy]

How many times have you stuck an elbow out on a MX track, not to upset the other rider but to balance and protect yourself? No malicious intent. This was a convenient time to do the same with knee. 50/50. Taking into consideration the full scope of the championship, and MM messing with the outcome, I would give the benefit of the doubt to Rossi. Putting him at the back of the grid is not the right answer, that's just politicizing the championship further. Had he done this to JL that would be different.

ha ha rossi forced the collision by deliberately running marquez off the track. race direction has already assessed a penalty and rossi will be starting at the back of the grid - getting what he deserves.

saying it was ok to do that to marquez, but wouldn't have been ok to do that to lorenzo ....nice argument ....

 

[caboose56]

another "rossi can do no wrong fan"

Lolwut?


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[caboose56]

I thought Tim's thoughts were spot on tbh, I don't have a favorite rider in motogp I root for either.

That yellow flag seems to be for pol running wide, and the Marshall being flag happy when there was really no incident requiring a flag.

I need to watch that pass again. Some commentary said it was due to Baz crashing.


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[inreb]

I didn't see any obvious signs that MM was slowing down VR. They both probably could have gone quicker if they weren't tripping over each other, but MM obviously didn't care to work with VR and try to catch up with JL.

I humbly submit that you're contradicting yourself there. Unless I don't fully understand championship racing, at this stage of the season, MM should not be interfering with VR if he can run a faster pace and if not stay out of the way in the interest of sportsmanship. And I'm not a Rossi fan, I think he looks like a monkey.

 

[inreb]

ha ha rossi forced the collision by deliberately running marquez off the track. race direction has already assessed a penalty and rossi will be starting at the back of the grid - getting what he deserves.

Are you saying MM couldn't have avoided? I've watched that replay dozens of times and every single time MM tightens his line into VR. He should have stood it up and run off the track. Could they have been going any slower at that point?

 

[fastar1]

I didn't see any obvious signs that MM was slowing down VR. They both probably could have gone quicker if they weren't tripping over each other, but MM obviously didn't care to work with VR and try to catch up with JL.

I humbly submit that you're contradicting yourself there. Unless I don't fully understand championship racing, at this stage of the season, MM should not be interfering with VR if he can run a faster pace and if not stay out of the way in the interest of sportsmanship. And I'm not a Rossi fan, I think he looks like a monkey.

He doesn't have to stay out of the way if he's genuinely challenging for position. What he shouldn't do is deliberately slow down to tangle with Rossi for any reason when his championship is on the line. And that's what he did, and the reason he did it is spite. So while VR screwed up, the only bad guy here is MM.

 

[boyoboy]

Are you saying MM couldn't have avoided? I've watched that replay dozens of times and every single time MM tightens his line into VR. He should have stood it up and run off the track. Could they have been going any slower at that point?

i suppose you know better than race direction. it was clearly a low life move to run mm off the track, thats not racing. one look two look three look......

 

[caboose56]

I humbly submit that you're contradicting yourself there. Unless I don't fully understand championship racing, at this stage of the season, MM should not be interfering with VR if he can run a faster pace and if not stay out of the way in the interest of sportsmanship. And I'm not a Rossi fan, I think he looks like a monkey.

Not at all.

Consider that Marquez is out of the championship, he's racing for wins or podiums. Rossi needs to consider the overall points. Marquez can afford to be more aggressive and take more chances. One could think that Rossi could/would/should back down from a battle like that knowing he can't afford a crash and maybe that is what Marquez was banking on.

If Marquez knows he doesn't have the pace to catch Lorenzo due to front end grip problems he'd been having then he might have been focused on 3rd. All he cares about was 3rd.. All he cares about was beating Rossi.

But Rossi didn't back down. He either
a) made a bold move to disrupt Marquez's corner exit to gap him
or
b) made him crash intentionally

Either way I think both actions are really shady. The former could warrant a review from race direction and maybe a penalty..... the latter would warrant a black flag IMO.

He doesn't have to stay out of the way if he's genuinely challenging for position. What he shouldn't do is deliberately slow down to tangle with Rossi for any reason when his championship is on the line. And that's what he did, and the reason he did it is spite. So while VR screwed up, the only bad guy here is MM.

This time, I don't actually think there's any evidence of MM intentionally slowing down VR. At Phillip Island maybe, but I didn't see it this time.

 

[inreb]

i suppose you know better than race direction. it was clearly a low life move to run mm off the track, thats not racing. one look two look three look......

LOL, who cares what race direction thinks? I don't have the insider scoop to unravel all the machinations and history on that continent, do you? I'm pinned down in the greater Toronto area glued to a monitor, you? You realize none of this matters but to entertain us? Go Blue Jays!

 

[sid_for_speed]

Predictions on RD verdict???

It's over for Rossi....starting from last in Valencia

 

[inreb]

saying it was ok to do that to marquez, but wouldn't have been ok to do that to lorenzo ....nice argument ....

Sure. What he did to Marquez, in light of what it appears Marquez is doing to him what with the championship hanging in the balance, is nothing compared to not racing the one and only championship rival cleanly. Surely you can spot the difference.

 

[chimera]

Holy ****! What drama!
VR needed to keep a more level head..... I understand his frustrations. MM had about a half second pace over VR all weekend even over JL and then can't keep up with him after he ran wide and JL was able to get in front. Then what he couldn't keep up? But had the pace to keep with VR. I'm not happy at all these actions by both VR and MM, it just handed JL the damn championship.
Also JL should shut up, he wasn't there and he shouldn't cast his biased judgement, if it was him and MM in this situation he would be thinking differently.
No love lost here, Valencia will be crazy.... 2016 will be a battle for all!
Ugh so angry over this whole thing, damn MM and Phillip Island BS starting this whole ****!

 

[lator-illa]

I agree with Caboose here. I re-watched the race and saw no evidence of Marc purposely slowing down the race. When Jorge passed Marc, he was the fastest rider out of the leading 4 in the previous lap. Jorge passed Vale earlier that same lap when Marc ran wide, so Jorge had the pace Vale couldn't match and probably Marc didn't have either.

By saying Marc was doing it on purpose because he clearly had the pace in the warmup, well maybe conditions changed from the morning? Is that so far-fetched? It looks to me 1st and 2nd had similar pace, and 3rd and 4th had similar pace. Rossi was clearly getting flustered during the race even before the altercation. When he nearly fell on lap 4 pushing his front brake, he kinda looked to his left and to Marc saying "WTF are you doing!?". It looked like good clean racing to me. I don't think there was any fairing bashing at that point.


Also, granted Marc is already out of the contention for the championship. Does that mean he should move over for Rossi if in fact he was having front end issues and that was in fact his true pace?? There should be no fight for position then? Again, I have to bring up Motegi 2010. Rossi who was definitely out of contention didn't mind sharing paint with Lorenzo during that race. Yes, granted Lorenzo had the championship in the bag but do you think that would've changed anything? Put him in a similar situation where Jorge was still fighting with Dani, and I bet you Rossi would not change one thing.

 

[inreb]

I agree with Caboose here. I re-watched the race and saw no evidence of Marc purposely slowing down the race.

No evidence? He purposely engaged with Rossi, evidenced by the constant repassing. Even the most casual race fan understands, via commentator, that is the recipe for slower lap times and that doesn't even account for the potential title contender ensnared in a wreck.

 

[boyoboy]

No evidence? He purposely engaged with Rossi, evidenced by the constant repassing. Even the most casual race fan understands, via commentator, that is the recipe for slower lap times and that doesn't even account for the potential title contender ensnared in a wreck.

"ensnared" ? haaaha

 

[boyoboy]

jl hasn't won the championship yet. what happens if its a rain race, or rain half way through the race. or jl crashes...cannot count rossi as totally out yet.

cant wait for valencia.

 

[lator-illa]

No evidence? He purposely engaged with Rossi, evidenced by the constant repassing. Even the most casual race fan understands, via commentator, that is the recipe for slower lap times and that doesn't even account for the potential title contender ensnared in a wreck.

So basically, what you're saying is that he should just move over because he's not fighting for the championship?

Why don't we just pluck Jorge and Vale out of race and let's make them run their own race...how about that. Perhaps that's the best way to settle the championship no?

 

[fastar1]

I agree with Caboose here. I re-watched the race and saw no evidence of Marc purposely slowing down the race. When Jorge passed Marc, he was the fastest rider out of the leading 4 in the previous lap. Jorge passed Vale earlier that same lap when Marc ran wide, so Jorge had the pace Vale couldn't match and probably Marc didn't have either.

By saying Marc was doing it on purpose because he clearly had the pace in the warmup, well maybe conditions changed from the morning? Is that so far-fetched? It looks to me 1st and 2nd had similar pace, and 3rd and 4th had similar pace. Rossi was clearly getting flustered during the race even before the altercation. When he nearly fell on lap 4 pushing his front brake, he kinda looked to his left and to Marc saying "WTF are you doing!?". It looked like good clean racing to me. I don't think there was any fairing bashing at that point.


Also, granted Marc is already out of the contention for the championship. Does that mean he should move over for Rossi if in fact he was having front end issues and that was in fact his true pace?? There should be no fight for position then? Again, I have to bring up Motegi 2010. Rossi who was definitely out of contention didn't mind sharing paint with Lorenzo during that race. Yes, granted Lorenzo had the championship in the bag but do you think that would've changed anything? Put him in a similar situation where Jorge was still fighting with Dani, and I bet you Rossi would not change one thing.

Do you think it's just a funny coincidence that the very race after Australia where MM was clearly obstructing VR, he decided not to do it again but happened to let JL pass and tangle in almost every corner with VR anyways?

The close racing and constant passing is itself an indication of a 'manufactured' challenge. That's the reason the previous "race" was the most closely fought of all time, outside of Moto3. That's the reason today's "race" between MM and VR was so exciting to watch. It's because they weren't real races, they were games set up by MM to mess up the order.

 

[sempre1]

As far i concern that little prick ( mm ) pick the fight with VL and literaly you can see the way it was overly aggressive with Vale - I'm not saying that VL is right what he did but at the end i feel mm won the case and Rossi last the championship because of him. End of the story!

 

[chimera]