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fastar1 said:
Link?


I think you mean Aragon, and that info comes from one source, a known unreliable Spanish paper that called it a 'secret' meeting. So either Rossi told the reporter, or Pedrosa told the reporter, or they're inventing things. An Italian paper called it a conspiracy between MM, his manager, and JL. But that's all just nationalistic BS. MM doesn't need anybody to know or to help him do what he's doing.
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Link for what? Pedrosa's statement about Hypocrisy? It was in the MotoMatters article but here is is again from crash.net

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/224603/1/rossi-has-contradicted-himself-says-pedrosa.html

Here's the Mamola article.

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/224643/1/motogp-malaysia-rossi-marquez-lap-times.html

No, I mean Motegi.

http://www.motogp.com/en/Results+Statistics

The rest is among many things I've read lately but I'll try to track it down if you really need it. Regardless, these are people who know more about this than any of us. I think Pedrosa has the best insight. He's been one of the top 4 riders in the world for a long time, he knows both of the riders involved very well and he has taken out a championship leader in the past as well as having been taken out controversially by a rider with a reputation for being reckless.
 
redridernl said:
Link for what? Pedrosa's statement about Hypocrisy? It was in the MotoMatters article but here is is again from crash.net

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/224603/1/rossi-has-contradicted-himself-says-pedrosa.html

Here's the Mamola article.

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/224643/1/motogp-malaysia-rossi-marquez-lap-times.html

No, I mean Motegi.

http://www.motogp.com/en/Results+Statistics

The rest is among many things I've read lately but I'll try to track it down if you really need it. Regardless, these are people who know more about this than any of us. I think Pedrosa has the best insight. He's been one of the top 4 riders in the world for a long time, he knows both of the riders involved very well and he has taken out a championship leader in the past as well as having been taken out controversially by a rider with a reputation for being reckless.
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The Pedrosa statement I listened to, and he was talking about the leniency and inconsistency of rules enforcement in MotoGP. He seemed to assume that Rossi wants stricter rules enforced now when he was OK with leniency before. Yet I don't think Rossi has ever suggested any change in his position on stricter rules, despite being angered by MM. So, no hypocrisy.

In that article Mamola doesn't say anything about tire issues being a potential valid explanation for MM's performance.

The other ones I haven't seen, particularly interested in the Bradley Smith comment though.

And there was no tough racing at Motegi. Pedrosa easily caught up and passed everyone from 4th place, and then never got tangled with them again. Here's the lap analysis (PDF) http://resources.motogp.com/files/results/2015/JPN/MotoGP/RAC/analysisbylap.pdf?v3_4a7a1197 It's Aragon where he had an epic duel with Rossi, and that's where the Spanish media claim Rossi confronted Pedrosa.

In any case your appeal to authority is a fallacious argument. The facts are what they are regardless of who says them. Not sure what facts lator-illa has brought to the discussion either, but your post amounts to saying 'X' is right because he's smart and 'Y' is wrong because he's dumb. That doesn't help shed any light on the veracity of the claims being made.
 
jcbarnar said:
Sorry I was talking about your point of MM being praised for battling it out and then being crucified for it this time. My point was that the riding was not the same in both cases.
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Yes, Marquez was praised. His riding has not changed contrary to what you think. He's always been reckless. Look at him in Mugello or Barcelona. He's only getting called out now because a possible crash would have grave consequences to the championship. As i've said, he's been reckless ever since the smaller classes. And to add to this whole reckless riding, Dani called Vale out on it.

Anyway, my point was his fans did an about face. Now they're crying to leave Valentino alone and let him focus on catching Lorenzo. lol



fastar1 said:
That's a great question, and I don't know the answer. It should probably have something to do with intent, as in in a rider doing it for their own benefit as opposed to doing it for no personal benefit but to punish another rider?

But if that's the answer, then how can the rules enforce intent? And isn't there some valid intent for Marc to claim he's doing it to improve his chances of beating Rossi's career WC record?

But at least we're asking the right questions now.
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I think Mike Webb stated that there's nothing in the rulebook where you can't sandbag. As long as your moves are legal and clean, then there really isn't anything that would prevent a rider from doing it. Whether Marc was doing it on purpose or not, what he was doing wasn't illegal. And hasn't Rossi always been labelled the ultimate sandbagger? lol
 
lator-illa said:
I think Mike Webb stated that there's nothing in the rulebook where you can't sandbag. As long as your moves are legal and clean, then there really isn't anything that would prevent a rider from doing it. Whether Marc was doing it on purpose or not, what he was doing wasn't illegal. And hasn't Rossi always been labelled the ultimate sandbagger? lol
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That's fine, if that's the only way to police it. Let the public decide whether it's fair or not to deliberately impede someone for the sole reason of screwing them over. That's what's happening now and the judgement isn't too favorable to Marquez, even from many of his fans as you point out. He's reaping what he's sowed.
 
fastar1 said:
The other ones I haven't seen, particularly interested in the Bradley Smith comment though.
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??? Care to elaborate. I haven't seen anything on this
 
fastar1 said:
The Pedrosa statement I listened to, and he was talking about the leniency and inconsistency of rules enforcement in MotoGP. He seemed to assume that Rossi wants stricter rules enforced now when he was OK with leniency before. Yet I don't think Rossi has ever suggested any change in his position on stricter rules, despite being angered by MM. So, no hypocrisy.


In any case your appeal to authority is a fallacious argument. The facts are what they are regardless of who says them. Not sure what facts lator-illa has brought to the discussion either, but your post amounts to saying 'X' is right because he's smart and 'Y' is wrong because he's dumb. That doesn't help shed any light on the veracity of the claims being made.
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I'd have to disagree. I don't think Dani was stating that Rossi wants stricter rules. He was merely calling him out for his change in attitude towards hard racing. Remember, Pedrosa was the one who was appealing to have cleaner racing especially during his whole ordeal with Simoncelli. Rossi was quick to defend Simoncelli's actions saying this is the nature of racing and that they should fight. Rossi had also pulled reckless passes in the past, so yes he's coming off as a hypocrite.
 
I don't think there's anything in writing to support Smith's comments. I believe one of the BT Sport commentators mentioned that they spoke to him about it. He essentially said that the same thing happened to him in another race. He let the tires cool back down to temp and was able to push again later in the race. Not uncommon. Coulon is his crew chief and Mamola, his advisor.
 
fastar1 said:
Are you asking me? Because I haven't seen it either, that's what I'm asking redridernl to show.
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redridernl said:
I don't think there's anything in writing to support Smith's comments. I believe one of the BT Sport commentators mentioned that they spoke to him about it. He essentially said that the same thing happened to him in another race. He let the tires cool back down to temp and was able to push again later in the race. Not uncommon. Coulon is his crew chief and Mamola, his advisor.
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Got it
 
lator-illa said:
I'd have to disagree. I don't think Dani was stating that Rossi wants stricter rules. He was merely calling him out for his change in attitude towards hard racing. Remember, Pedrosa was the one who was appealing to have cleaner racing especially during his whole ordeal with Simoncelli. Rossi was quick to defend Simoncelli's actions saying this is the nature of racing and that they should fight. Rossi had also pulled reckless passes in the past, so yes he's coming off as a hypocrite.
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Yes, this is what Pedrosa meant. Up until now, Rossi has been fine with hard racing no matter what the circumstance because he was always strong. Now that there are several riders who can beat him on any given day and one in particular who won't back down from physical or mental intimidation, he has suddenly changed his tune.
 
Late to the party. I am a Rossi fan, but I think his actions prior to and subsequently during the race have not looked good on him. He cost himself the championship - he has no one else to blame.

This will leave a mark on his career in my opinion.
 
lator-illa said:
I'd have to disagree. I don't think Dani was stating that Rossi wants stricter rules. He was merely calling him out for his change in attitude towards hard racing. Remember, Pedrosa was the one who was appealing to have cleaner racing especially during his whole ordeal with Simoncelli. Rossi was quick to defend Simoncelli's actions saying this is the nature of racing and that they should fight. Rossi had also pulled reckless passes in the past, so yes he's coming off as a hypocrite.
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Perhaps so, I'd have to listen to it again.

Even accepting that interpretation, it rests on the assumption that MM was out there to race VR as opposed to sabotage him. Rossi could still support very aggressive racing but be against sabotage. And the pattern clearly shows that MM wasn't racing but sandbagging, and the only explanation for it was to sabotage Rossi's championship chances. So again, no hypocrisy, just disagreement between Pedrosa and Rossi about what MM did in the last 2 races.
 
@valeyellow46 - 7 hours agoThank you for all the great support, reading your comments helped me to overcome the hard times. From today we are working for Valencia.


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That is the clean version, what he really said in Italian was thank you for helping me overcome my bitterness and being ****** off or something like that
 
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My ideal solution would be for Dovi to torpedo Lorenzo then Ianonne could hold up Marquez until Rossi catches up then kicks the **** out of him.


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caboose56 said:
My ideal solution would be for Dovi to torpedo Lorenzo then Ianonne could hold up Marquez until Rossi catches up then kicks the **** out of him.


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Yup. If the racing is going to turn into a popularity contest with every rider choosing a side and racing strategically for them, as MM has been doing, then this is what I hope for too.

Would still be awful racing though.
 
caboose56 said:
My ideal solution would be for Dovi to torpedo Lorenzo then Ianonne could hold up Marquez until Rossi catches up then kicks the **** out of him.


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This is a common theme lately. People are all for cheating as long as it favours Rossi.
 
fastar1 said:
Yup. If the racing is going to turn into a popularity contest with every rider choosing a side and racing strategically for them, as MM has been doing, then this is what I hope for too.

Would still be awful racing though.
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True.

I think it will be very difficult for VR to salvage the championship but id like to see it. The strange thing is that i was starting to like MM a bit more through this season but the last two weeks has just ruined that.

Rossi certainly made a bad decision in that race but MM has been acting like an insolent child. Argentina was just an accident, wrong place at the wrong time. Assen was MM being too ambitious, it was a big lunge and he couldn't pull it off. PI and Sepang have shown him to be a petty, spiteful little jerk.

It's my opinion that VR called him out on his sandbagging in the hopes it would prompt MM to get his **** together and ride like a champion and not like a child. Obviously that backfired on VR.


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Or them wishing the rest of the field let Vale through and let him race Lorenzo on his own, thus rendering the championship in favour of Vale. Common sense is out the door.

That said, I won't be surprised if things get ugly in Valencia.
 
lator-illa said:
Or them wishing the rest of the field let Vale through and let him race Lorenzo on his own, thus rendering the championship in favour of Vale. Common sense is out the door.

That said, I won't be surprised if things get ugly in Valencia.
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It isn't going to happen.

Vale has to go through, the Suzukis (remember Valencia is a short tight track and they will do well there), through the Ducatis and then there are the Satelite bikes, I am sure team orders will be for Pol and Smith to get the F out of the way of Valentino but there is also the Satelite Honda. Then Pedrosa and MM.

The only way VR will win the championship is if JL crashes and we know how often that happens.

He will probably get to the 8th spot easily and then from there he will struggle.

Only two things he has going for him are:
A) he can fully concentrate on race setup and forget about qualifying
B) he is going to ride like he has nothing to lose since he really already lost the championship.

I predict he is going to have the race of his life, but doubt that will be enough.

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This one crack me up, I am sure most have seen it on facebook

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