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I'm a 'new-ish' rider. Started riding in 2010 and have about 15,000 kms under my belt. Have yet to do the M2.

I plan to just go to the MTO. There's a rubric and videos to the test on this forum, and elsewhere. I bet that with some studying, it'll go fine. I probably have some rust and bad habits but studying the book and watching my riding for two weeks should fix them and reinforce the habits. (I've done the same thing to help my cornering by reading Twist of the Wrist II, Nick Ienatsch's book, ...)

I do think there could be value in 're-training' on the street. But like ZX600 and EC2010, I bet my overall riding and control would improve much more by taking a track or technical course. Of course, depends on what kind of rider you are... I bet a track day would still help if you ride a Burgman, a KLR650, a Harley Decker, etc. but probably would be even better for a sportbike rider.

I think that testing your riding while you're nervous and getting yelled at and off-put by an instructor is a good test of your mettle and your riding. You have to make it home and deal with traffic when you're wet, tired, distracted, having a bad day, etc.
 
KarGo said:
The MTO failing rate reminds me of this:
[video=youtube;_4Di3YwEHM8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4Di3YwEHM8&list=HL1358905359[/video]

B*tch move by tester...
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The video appears to be from the states?!? In which case some States require eye protection. Therefore yes I can see the guy failing for not putting his visor down. It would be like not wearing a helmet here.
 
Slick_Steveo said:
Brooklin??...isn't that where all the badasses hang out?

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No, Brooklin is where all the swingers hang out ... way more fun than being a badass

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Sushii said:
IMHO, M1 Exit should be taken with a school/course. M2 Exit should be taken at the ministry as if you've been riding for awhile, it's a piece of cake. If you can't pass with the ministry you shouldn't be riding. I know it's a bit harsh but M2 Exit is a lot like riding on the road on a daily basis...
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+1.....
 
Slick_Steveo said:
To the Op, good question.

I have been looking at different options, there are not that many. You can do track school, (either racer 5 or Fast are the only ones local , as far as I know). RTI has an advanced rider course, but I figured that the Total Control course is probably the way I'm leaning to.

I was originally looking to see if any of the schools offered private one on one instruction , but didn't see it advertised on any of their websites
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Thanks for the info, i'll certainly look into these courses. Total control sounds like the one to take, i'll look at the curriculum. It is really not just about passing the test, I am confident that i will when the time comes. I want more skills, I want to use whatever bike I have, now and in the future, to its maximum capability.
 
I got my M2 & M from an instructed course. I didnt thing i wanted to study & worry about passing or failing. Plus it was good fun. I remember going to the M2 exit & seeing a riding bud tutoring

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ZX600 said:
This is a good example - If we transfer this experience to the M2 exit, you would have failed your first test and corrected the things you did wrong and passed the second

MTO test x 2 = 140 bucks (I am not sure if you have to pay again for a retest, but we will assume you have to)
Course test x1 = 360 (According to what Greg said with Learning Curves)

This is also assuming that you are going to pass the test with the course the first time
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The one thing I did leave out though (should have put in -- d'oh) was that I had to book the re-test for 2 months in the future -- So part of the extra benefit is passing in one go and not failing, then waiting, then attempting again. Also had I gotten another a-hat I would have had to wait (and pay) for a third round as well.

I know also for myself, I really want to try out the the CBR600RRA, and Honda won't allow it without a full M. If I pass in October I might still be able to hit up a demo day (and potentially buy) vs having to wait until the following year. Currently have about 5,000km on the 250 and will likely have 15,000km on it by next October -- so hopefully it's still worth something when it comes time to sell lol.
 
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Braaaaap I took a course, I preferred the weekend scheduling. I picked up a couple pointers on where I could improve my traffic management, so I think it was worthwhile. I'm quite wealthy so the cost didn't matter.
 
Sushii said:
IMHO, M1 Exit should be taken with a school/course. M2 Exit should be taken at the ministry as if you've been riding for awhile, it's a piece of cake. If you can't pass with the ministry you shouldn't be riding. I know it's a bit harsh but M2 Exit is a lot like riding on the road on a daily basis...
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Finally... some common sense. TY. And passing the M is only part of the journey. There are lots of other scenarios that you won't get from a course unless you are out riding ... heavy fog, rain, wind, riding at night with no street lights, crazy deer or porcupine jumping out of the ditch and dash across right in front of you, etc.

Statistics is all relative on how it's computed and presented. I had 2 guys that passed their full M. So including me, I can say the pass rate on that day between the hours of 9:30 to 11:30 was 100%. meh... whatever it is worth. Just imagine all the hardcore old schoolers... how the heck did they pass their exams without these M2Exit courses available back in the days? Experience builds confidence.
 
I got my M many years ago, I had ridden dirt bikes growing up and borrowed my buddy's "enduro" to do the test at the MTO.

Something is amiss with our our system.

It doesn't work like the "graduated license system" that they have for cars. Isn't the first stage (M1) supposed to let the rider get experience on the roads with certain restrictions (no night riding, no highways etc.)?

Yet I keep hearing , mostly on here, that riders are getting their M1 in the winter and then "waiting" the required time period,without riding a single mile.Then taking a course in the spring to get their M2. (This was also the advice that was given to my girlfriend by a few of the instructors that were manning the booths at the shows).

It doesn't make sense to me that people with virtually no seat time will be able to get on the roads, especially highways, given that they paid money to take a 2 1/2 or 3 day course.
 
Slick_Steveo said:
It doesn't make sense to me that people with virtually no seat time will be able to get on the roads, especially highways, given that they paid money to take a 2 1/2 or 3 day course.
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They do have to pass a test at the end of the course. And no, not everyone passes.
 
imnothng said:
They do have to pass a test at the end of the course. And no, not everyone passes.
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ha. I would say that 30% of my class shouldn't have passed... If you're still stalling, almost dropping the bike, nervous etc when you go for your M2, you need to spend more time on a bike.
 
rmemedic said:
ha. I would say that 30% of my class shouldn't have passed... If you're still stalling, almost dropping the bike, nervous etc when you go for your M2, you need to spend more time on a bike.
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I agree, I just wanted to point out that it's not a given. There were guys that were great in my class that failed, and vice versa there were people that should have failed that passed.
 
but why are the instructors of the course (maybe not all of them) basically condoning that its okay to go and take the course without having any real life road experience. Then get your M2 (which removes restrictions), Is there a highway test, where they actually take them out on the road at highway speed to see how well the perform?

BTw I'm not knocking what the courses do. (or how good the instruction is) I'm just saying there is something wrong with the way the system is set up.
 
You can't blame the instructors, they can only do so much with what's in place.

System is broken, a first time rider can jump on the fastest production bike after taking a 40 multiple choice questionnaire. The five year period before getting your M licence is too long. Should be a min of two years.

The M1 and M2 exit courses are too easy to pass.
 
Yup, the system really isn't great. Personally, when I'm teaching I will try to spend time with each student and give them an honest evaluation of where they stand. If they are comfortable with their riding skills they may well be safe to go on the roads, but even if they pass the test but are clearly not very good I will strongly encourage them to spend more time only in a parking lot or to get some private lessons. I also make a point of encouraging all of my students to seek out more advanced training (dirt, track, advanced street courses, books, etc.). I look at it as you can never have enough training or practice. That's the main reason I recommend the M2Exit class, it's not about the test, it's about having an impartial 3rd party to evaluate you and even if you only pick up a couple of small details, it all helps.
 
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