M2 exit course and test

[Newblet]

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It is possible to pass the M2X on a cbr 125? or is it far too slow? Cause I plan on doing it this summer and I don't want to rent a bike and I would probably blow it on my brothers SV1000.

I always find my self speeding by accident on the SV

 

[Lunatic]

It is possible to pass the M2X on a cbr 125? or is it far too slow? Cause I plan on doing it this summer and I don't want to rent a bike and I would probably blow it on my brothers SV1000.

I always find my self speeding by accident on the SV

The CBR125 is fine, and you are better off taking the test on the bike you are most comfortable with. The CBR125 is more than capable anything required.

 

[JFD]

I like the neighbourly sentiment that everyone wants to make sure total strangers don't spend their money.


Me, i'm the sort that feels a training course that actually teaches you stuff you don't know about (more than likely) or even gives you a forum to actualy sharpen your skills, isn't a bad thing.

But i've also seen riders that brag a whole lot, however can't work their clutch worth a squirt of piss.

 

[EC2010]

IMHO, spend the money elsewhere like Total Control or similar advanced street riding courses.

M2 Exit is not easy, but it's not designed to fail you either. If you have been riding, and fully capable of shifting, respecting the posted speed limits, ability to check blind spots, able to stop the bike with 1 foot down, and observing your surroundings 100% of the time - including empty driveways, entrance/exits of the mall, etc. You will pass.

The MTO tester is really looking at how comfortable you are with the bike. If you are duck-walking out of a parking spot, yeah, you are not ready. If you need both feet down at all times when it comes to a stop, you are not ready.

Remember, some of the MTO testers are also riders. It's good to have a chat with them before the test starts (when they are checking your bike's signals) to set expectations that both of you are comfortable. I've posted my two questions before, and here they are:

1) When going on the highway, I am supposed to merge safely with ongoing traffic speed. I understand the posted speed limit on the 401 is 100km/h, and to be realistic, majority of drivers exceed that speed. Are you okay with me matching traffic speed to merge safely?

Response I got: "It's okay to speed up, match traffic speed, but once merged, you have to drop it back down if that's the scenario. Do not do anything crazy like 120."

2) Blocking position - are you okay with me swerving around potential hazards like pot holes & debri on the lane?

Response I got: "Yes, perfectly fine. Avoid hazards"

Now, that's my MTO tester. Take this info for whatever it is worth because other testers maybe different.

And yes, the walkie talkie piece they give you maybe crappy, and you cannot talk back, but you top your helmet whenever you cannot hear the instructions clearly.

The joy of the test is they'll be following you in a car. Usually well in advance they'll tell you to turn left or right, or perform a lane change. And I would say 99% of the time, they've already blocked the traffic for you.

Three things you have to keep doing throughout the test:
1) Move your head left and right constantly - because the testers cannot see your eyes from behind you, that unfortunately is the only way they know you are observing traffic and hazards around you at all times
2) You need to always leave at least 1 car length of space between you and the vehicle in front of you, regardless whether is rush hour or not. Otherwise you'll be deemed following too close.
3) Always use the right lane (slow lane) as your default riding lane. Left lane is for passing - this is a concept that a lot of drivers cannot comprehend.

There is not real trick to passing the exam. If you ride, ride often, comfortable with operating your bike, being alert and ride defensively, comfortable in riding with traffic, you will pass!

 

[250R-ICE]

Mostly everything you mentioned is execllent advice. Except for one item. You are allowed both feet down when at a stop. As long as the rear brake light stays lit throughout the entire stop. I'm not sure why everyone thinks this is not acceptable. Must be an old requirement.

 

[noob_in_mid_age]

IMHO, spend the money elsewhere like Total Control or similar advanced street riding courses.

I think the general consensus is that additional expert instruction is beneficial and i am all for that; unless you're a young bird and still think you're indestructible. What I wanted to know, and I think it has been answered, is whether the M2 exit course is worthwhile or if there are other suitable courses, and as you pointed out there are. I am not concerned about the test as I know I will have logged thousands of kms by the time I am due to do it. Without instruction, as a beginner, you tend to develop bad habits and if I carry these into the exam then I will surely fail.

 

[EC2010]

I don't know, you maybe right.

On the MTO checklist, every section with reference to STOP, the tester is going to evaluate yes or no on "Foot moved" .... think that's how people interpreted since it's not "Feet moved".

Like I've said before, you only need to put one foot down to ride a bike properly. If you need both down all the time, go practice. This goes for all related discussions with seat heights, etc.

 

[matthew]

I think the general consensus is that additional expert instruction is beneficial and i am all for that; unless you're a young bird and still think you're indestructible. What I wanted to know, and I think it has been answered, is whether the M2 exit course is worthwhile or if there are other suitable courses, and as you pointed out there are. I am not concerned about the test as I know I will have logged thousands of kms by the time I am due to do it. Without instruction, as a beginner, you tend to develop bad habits and if I carry these into the exam then I will surely fail.

Bad habits are easily corrected by studying this a week prior to taking the MTO test

http://temp.corvetteforum.net/c4/xtwinturbo//M_exam/m-exam.gif

 

[EC2010]

I think the general consensus is that additional expert instruction is beneficial and i am all for that; unless you're a young bird and still think you're indestructible. What I wanted to know, and I think it has been answered, is whether the M2 exit course is worthwhile or if there are other suitable courses, and as you pointed out there are. I am not concerned about the test as I know I will have logged thousands of kms by the time I am due to do it. Without instruction, as a beginner, you tend to develop bad habits and if I carry these into the exam then I will surely fail.

that's the spirit! Getting out there to lodge the km's.

Seriously, just ride "normal", don't speed and you'll pass. I'm all about motorcycle safety but imho I think you get more bang for your $ if you go with advanced training instead of a course that's sole focus is on passing the test. Just book with the MTO For me personally, it wasn't worthwhile to pay someone $300+ to point out my "bad habits" but instead I ended up spending that money to attend a track school that corrected my "bad habits".

 

[robmack]

I'll add my voice to the chorus FOR taking an M2X course. The course does cost significantly more than just the MTO test fee but the rewards from taking the course merit the cost difference. The course is certainly designed to ensure you will be able to "jump through the hoops" to pass the test. It should give you knowledge and techniques that will correct bad habits if you take it seriously and try to apply the principles they teach after you've got your license. The MTO test only gives you a designation on your license; the course gives you the designation and a riding philosophy.

Much of the opinion above is mixed, split evenly between "take the course" and "just do the test". It comes down to confidence. I booked the MTO test and was not confident the day of the test. I failed it. The next year, I took the course and passed with one error. The instructor made the difference. The MTO tester was unfriendly, yelling in my ear piece during the test and just making me totally nervous. Consequently, I made mistakes I certainly wouldn't have made if I was relaxed. The instructor was communicative throughout the day, even during the exam part. The decision is yours, based on your confidence level.

 

[600f4ilover]

Personally I loved the M2 exit.. it was indeed a great refresher..because after riding for a long period of time you tend to get into a few bad habits that you don't even realize your doing.. I would recommend taking the course..plus you get cheaper insurance at the end when you pass.

 

[600f4ilover]

I gotta do my M2exit this summer.

I would say that I'm fairly experienced. Been riding bikes over half my life (off road), spend every weekend from April to October racing MX and have been on the street for 4 years now.

And, I'm actually worried about the test. I'm skilled, but I just wonder if I will get failed for things such as tire track selection since I usually go by what is logical in whichever situation, not was is necessarily in the book. And the procedure for the emergency "parking" portion.

Plus, I'm worried that having a fender eliminator, loud slip on and modified signals might not even let the bike pass the inspection.

I took the M2 exit last Summer and I had an integrated tail light.. they made me do hand signals.. and my signals were bright..

 

[hammakat]

BTW, The failure rate for the M2 exit at MTO is over 80% in many of their locations. The pass rate at most of the schools/colleges is over 90%. There are 400 possible deductions on the M2exit test, and if you get more than 25pts you fail.

I'd like to see a source on this otherwise I will keep thinking you pulled those stats out of your ***.

 

[ZX600]

If you like someone to hold your hand then take the course and pay the 450 bucks. Otherwise do it with the MTO, it is a question that only each individual can answer.

I can believe on the 80% percent failing rate, many people i know that ride shouldn't be riding

 

[Lunatic]

I'd like to see a source on this otherwise I will keep thinking you pulled those stats out of your ***.

While it's certainly not an exact figure, that number comes directly from multiple rider/instructors who are part of the demo riders who teach the MTO/Drivetest staff how to do the M2Exit test.

The point is that the MTO test as it's administered at Drivetest is not as easy, you are at the mercy of the tester and have to go into it cold. Supplemental training is something that everyone can benefit from and having a professional critique your riding never hurts.

But hey, what do I know...


Oh, and $450 is too much, there are cheaper places to go.

 

[ZX600]

Oh, and $450 is too much, there are cheaper places to go.

Course Length:

• 3-hour classroom session, 1 full day of riding, and the Ministry test on the 3rd day (1hour)

Fee:$384.51 plus HST


Ok 435$ bucks I aPAULOgize

 

[Lunatic]

Course Length:

• 3-hour classroom session, 1 full day of riding, and the Ministry test on the 3rd day (1hour)

Fee:$384.51 plus HST


Ok 435$ bucks I aPAULOgize

Learning Curves is only $299

 

[Low rider]

This is the best response of the thread.

I'll add my voice to the chorus FOR taking an M2X course. The course does cost significantly more than just the MTO test fee but the rewards from taking the course merit the cost difference. The course is certainly designed to ensure you will be able to "jump through the hoops" to pass the test. It should give you knowledge and techniques that will correct bad habits if you take it seriously and try to apply the principles they teach after you've got your license. The MTO test only gives you a designation on your license; the course gives you the designation and a riding philosophy.

Much of the opinion above is mixed, split evenly between "take the course" and "just do the test". It comes down to confidence. I booked the MTO test and was not confident the day of the test. I failed it. The next year, I took the course and passed with one error. The instructor made the difference. The MTO tester was unfriendly, yelling in my ear piece during the test and just making me totally nervous. Consequently, I made mistakes I certainly wouldn't have made if I was relaxed. The instructor was communicative throughout the day, even during the exam part. The decision is yours, based on your confidence level.

 

[Low rider]

So you can pass a "ROAD" test better by learning how to go around a corner on the track?

that's the spirit! Getting out there to lodge the km's.

Seriously, just ride "normal", don't speed and you'll pass. I'm all about motorcycle safety but imho I think you get more bang for your $ if you go with advanced training instead of a course that's sole focus is on passing the test. Just book with the MTO For me personally, it wasn't worthwhile to pay someone $300+ to point out my "bad habits" but instead I ended up spending that money to attend a track school that corrected my "bad habits".

 

[Deleted member 40275]

If you like someone to hold your hand then take the course and pay the 450 bucks. Otherwise do it with the MTO, it is a question that only each individual can answer.

I can believe on the 80% percent failing rate, many people i know that ride shouldn't be riding

You give the worst advice... do new riders a favour and stop "trying to help".. I've done a million track days in cars and I can honestly say that there's nothing better than taking an instructed course regardless of anything else.

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