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e90 said:
You give the worst advice... do new riders a favour and stop "trying to help".. I've done a million track days in cars and I can honestly say that there's nothing better than taking an instructed course regardless of anything else.
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I said "it is a question that only each individual can answer". How is that giving bad advice? I was giving my opinion based on my MOTORCYCLE experience

Am I supposed to care for the opinion of someone that starts such intelligent threads as:
http://www.gtamotorcycle.com/vbforum...king-community

If you don't feel confident on your abilities then let someone hold your hand through the process of getting your M license, if you feel confident on your abilities then go and take the m2 exit on the MTO, pretty straight forward.

What pisses me off is inexperienced guys like you telling people in here that the failing rate is 80% and scaring new riders into spending money for a course that they may not need.

Offer your opinion from your experience (which you have none) otherwise shut the **** up.
 
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i think ima do my m2exit this year

i will go to sheridan because i like low rider's avatar and this is the place he suggested

I think these courses are valuable as refreshers,it's just too bad when you get some ****** instructor who turns what should be a fun learning experience into a boot camp atmosphere(hershey center,humber college course m1 exit) oh well
 
Low rider said:
So you can pass a "ROAD" test better by learning how to go around a corner on the track?
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You are totally missing the point and taking my responses out of context. Read what I've posted in passing the M2Exit with the MTO. I didn't say sign up with a track school as a pre-test activity. Track school was mentioned as how I spent my money instead.

If you only learn how to corner in a track school... you are doing it wrong. I learned about tires, grip in downpour conditions. I learned about target fixation. I learned about looking through the turns. I learned about speed and braking. And lots of other stuff. These are all important skills in operating a motorcycle safely and surviving. Are these going to be tested at M2Exit? not really. Are they going boost up your confidence and make you a better rider? absolutely.

Again, I am all about motorcycle safety and wear full protective gear all the time. I agree with ZX600, it's all about how confident you are about riding. Hey, if signing up for a course gives you the piece of mind and confidence? Go right ahead. Confidence also comes with experience ... that means lodging the km's.
 
ZX600 said:
What pisses me off is inexperienced guys like you telling people in here that the failing rate is 80% and scaring new riders into spending money for a course that they may not need.
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So I'm inexperienced Paulo?
 
Maybe it's just me. But the impression I get whenever someone asks if they should take the test at the MTO or do a course. They are looking for the easy way out. If people are worried and not confident in their ability or have sufficient skill to pass the test at the MTO. How is it that they feel they have the sufficient skill to ride on the road to begin with ? If someone is looking for professional opinion or just want to improve / refresh then taking a course is a good option. But asking which test is easier to pass is wrong approach to begin with. Just my opinion.



QUOTE=Lunatic;1946053]Learning Curves is only $299 ;)[/QUOTE]
 
noob_in_mid_age said:
I would appreciate your input on what courses are available for motorcycle riding (to improve abilities) other than the M1, M2 exit.

Thanks.
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To the Op, good question.

I have been looking at different options, there are not that many. You can do track school, (either racer 5 or Fast are the only ones local , as far as I know). RTI has an advanced rider course, but I figured that the Total Control course is probably the way I'm leaning to.

I was originally looking to see if any of the schools offered private one on one instruction , but didn't see it advertised on any of their websites
 
ZX600 said:
If you don't feel confident on your abilities then let someone hold your hand through the process of getting your M license, if you feel confident on your abilities then go and take the m2 exit on the MTO, pretty straight forward.

What pisses me off is inexperienced guys like you telling people in here that the failing rate is 80% and scaring new riders into spending money for a course that they may not need.

Offer your opinion from your experience (which you have none) otherwise shut the **** up.
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I may not have any experience on a bike but I am positive I've spent more hours on a race track than you could ever have. I understand the value of good instruction so that people don't form bad habits... getting ANY sort of training course, instructed by a pro.. helps new riders/drivers to develop GOOD habits. It's like playing any sport - like golf... you would be telling someone to learn to play golf himself and that getting lessons is a waste of money... then they're stuck at a plateau for the rests of their lives because they've developed a self-made grip that hinders their game.

Stop giving bad advice.
 
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e90 said:
I may not have any experience on a bike but I am positive I've spent more hours on a race track than you could ever have. I understand the value of good instruction so that people don't form bad habits... getting ANY sort of training course, instructed by a pro.. helps new riders/drivers to develop GOOD habits. It's like playing any sport - like golf... you would be telling someone to learn to play golf himself and that getting lessons is a waste of money... then they're stuck at a plateau for the rests of their lives because they've developed a self-made grip that hinders their game.

Stop giving bad advice.
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Hey Richard Spenard everyone is entitled to their opinions.

I suggest you form one, after you have actually ridden a bike.....:rolleyes:
 
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What an obscure ex racing driver reference... I'm guessing you and Paulo are neighbours living in beautiful Brooklin :)
 
Perhaps after you have taken and passed your M licence, you will be able to form a proper opinion on whether or not the course is worth the money.

Your anecdote's of going around a track in a vehicle with training wheels and a cage holds little weight.
 
IMHO, M1 Exit should be taken with a school/course. M2 Exit should be taken at the ministry as if you've been riding for awhile, it's a piece of cake. If you can't pass with the ministry you shouldn't be riding. I know it's a bit harsh but M2 Exit is a lot like riding on the road on a daily basis...
 
What about the weight of a riding instructor here that both of you also clearly think holds no weight? What makes the two of you brooklin boiz' opinions hold more weight than a learning curves instructor?

I get it - you're beating me on a technicality based off the fact I have no riding experience. What you are failing to acknowledge (classic symptom of ignorance) is that I'm referring to the fact that coaching/instruction (at ANY sport) makes one a better player/rider so that they don't learn bad habits by themselves - which would be harder to reverse and correct in the future.
 
Dude - it's not about taking the course to pass the test... (taking the course to simply pass the test is like going to university for the piece of paper at the end - worthless) it's about taking the course so that you don't learn BAD HABITS.

Do you really disagree with that? That it's better to learn on your own than have someone knowledgeable teach you? It's only a few hundred bucks.
 
e90 said:
What about the weight of a riding instructor here that both of you also clearly think holds no weight? What makes the two of you brooklin boiz' opinions hold more weight than a learning curves instructor?

I get it - you're beating me on a technicality based off the fact I have no riding experience. What you are failing to acknowledge (classic symptom of ignorance) is that I'm referring to the fact that coaching/instruction (at ANY sport) makes one a better player/rider so that they don't learn bad habits by themselves - which would be harder to reverse and correct in the future.
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What does Brooklin have to do with this conversation?

Not having experience on the topic you are talking about is not just a technicality.

I understand, you feel like you have something to prove but there is no need to insult anyone - After all this is a public forum where people can give their opinions

Chill a bit
 
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I'm eligible to go for my full M October 2013, and will likely do it through a course (already 'signed' with RTI, but I can cancel with full refund up to around 2 weeks in advance). As I see it, the course is a lot of money, but if it even shows me a single item that helps some day, it will have been worth it.

Also regarding the MTO, I still remember failing my full G the first time I took it -- I had been driving for years (had to go in before it expired), and the bulk of reasons they failed me ranged from downshifting to 2nd then stopping (vs going all the way to first, which isn't recommended in my car), for rev-matching my downshifts (because they said I used gas while braking to rev the engine -- well duh), plus I was half an inch too far off the curb when stopping. If I recall, they also said I merged too slowly onto the 401 (was rush hour traffic) and when I asked them how could I possibly have hit 100km/h they actually laughed and said I couldn't. I then proceeded to rebook my G, and drive pretty much the same again and passed with next to no errors recorded.
 
conundrum said:
I'm eligible to go for my full M October 2013, and will likely do it through a course (already 'signed' with RTI, but I can cancel with full refund up to around 2 weeks in advance). As I see it, the course is a lot of money, but if it even shows me a single item that helps some day, it will have been worth it.

Also regarding the MTO, I still remember failing my full G the first time I took it -- I had been driving for years (had to go in before it expired), and the bulk of reasons they failed me ranged from downshifting to 2nd then stopping (vs going all the way to first, which isn't recommended in my car), for rev-matching my downshifts (because they said I used gas while braking to rev the engine -- well duh), plus I was half an inch too far off the curb when stopping. If I recall, they also said I merged too slowly onto the 401 (was rush hour traffic) and when I asked them how could I possibly have hit 100km/h they actually laughed and said I couldn't. I then proceeded to rebook my G, and drive pretty much the same again and passed with next to no errors recorded.
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Yes sometimes the examiners are a**holes. I've been lucky thus far. Don't think i'll ever be doing any more tests though (I'm already a Game Master :p).
 
conundrum said:
I'm eligible to go for my full M October 2013, and will likely do it through a course (already 'signed' with RTI, but I can cancel with full refund up to around 2 weeks in advance). As I see it, the course is a lot of money, but if it even shows me a single item that helps some day, it will have been worth it.

Also regarding the MTO, I still remember failing my full G the first time I took it -- I had been driving for years (had to go in before it expired), and the bulk of reasons they failed me ranged from downshifting to 2nd then stopping (vs going all the way to first, which isn't recommended in my car), for rev-matching my downshifts (because they said I used gas while braking to rev the engine -- well duh), plus I was half an inch too far off the curb when stopping. If I recall, they also said I merged too slowly onto the 401 (was rush hour traffic) and when I asked them how could I possibly have hit 100km/h they actually laughed and said I couldn't. I then proceeded to rebook my G, and drive pretty much the same again and passed with next to no errors recorded.
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This is a good example - If we transfer this experience to the M2 exit, you would have failed your first test and corrected the things you did wrong and passed the second

MTO test x 2 = 140 bucks (I am not sure if you have to pay again for a retest, but we will assume you have to)
Course test x1 = 360 (According to what Greg said with Learning Curves)

This is also assuming that you are going to pass the test with the course the first time

Once again - If you don't feel confident that you can pass, then have the Course hold your hand through the process, if you feel confident on your riding abilities, then take the MTO test...Or do whatever you want lol

Just don't freak people out by making it seem like unless you take the course you won't pass, that's all

I'm out - It's to cold in BROOKLIN to be arguing ;)
 
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