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Maybe the better question to ask is the M2 exit course really an advanced rider training program? I thought it was and that's why I took it. Afterwards I discovered it was not. Instructor flat out said it was to get you to pass the test. The same instructor taught the M1 exit where I learned a lot.

I'm all for advanced rider training. What I learned during my M2 exit however was where to specifically look during our test for a hidden alley, only put left foot down an to keep it down, basically stuff that will get one to pass. I do not consider anything learned during this course to be an advanced education in motorcycle riding.

2 people witness the same event. If you ask them what happened, they'll both tell you a different story. So I think that it's possible for some people to get more out of the M2 exit than others.

As they say in the hiking community HYOH - hike your own hike.

Oh and for what it's worth, I took both my courses with CMA in Stoney Creek.
 
There are no riding skills taught on the M2X course.
 
Come spring, everyone who does the M2 Exit test through the MTO should post the number of times it took em to pass. We'll make our own statistics!

Really though, to each his own. Just do whatever you feel is more comfortable...

I'm pretty sure the cost of the course is the deciding factor for many people anyways. Personally, I think the price of these courses are way too high.
 
Hey, Che is still a hero.
I not only suggested it........................

senor guevera said:
i think ima do my m2exit this year

i will go to sheridan because i like low rider's avatar and this is the place he suggested

I think these courses are valuable as refreshers,it's just too bad when you get some ****** instructor who turns what should be a fun learning experience into a boot camp atmosphere(hershey center,humber college course m1 exit) oh well
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Sabex said:
There is ALWAYS something you could of done differently to prevent an accident. Car make a left infront of you? You should of slowed down/been more cautious. Car merges into your lane, ontop of you? You should of been paying more attention to what traffic around you is doing.

There is never an accident where there is literally NOTHING you could of done to avoid it. Unless its some freak accident like space debris falling from the sky, or a tree branch falling down infront of you without warning, etc. With a few exceptions... there's is really nothing you can do if someone coming the opposite direction swerves into your lane at the last second.

The whole idea of motorcycle safety is to expect the unexpected. Expect car drivers to do **** they're not supposed to do. And that is what you're supposed to do, so if you're not expecting them to do the unexpected then you're doing it wrong.
If you crash, learn from it. Think "what could I of done to avoid it." If you get it implanted into your head that it was completely 100% the drivers fault just because insurance said so, you'll have learnt nothing.

However, I do agree taking an advanced course is to help you get every bit of knowledge you can out of everyone you can to make yourself a better rider.
And sorry if I might of misread your intentions.
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I see your points above. motorcycling, like any other activity, is an ever learning activity. No class can prepare you for all the scenarios you will encounter and you in your life will not see it all. In my haste to finish the post and submit it ( I was leaving work for the day), I may not have made that clear. In a class, I can learn how to handle the bike better, in most common situations; I may think I am doing great by myself but a keen trained eye is probably better at pointing them out to me. Learning by yourself is great but if there are 100 steps to becoming a good, even great rider (not excellent) and taking a course will get me to step 54 (which alone may take me yrs), then I choose taking a course and i'll worry about the remaining 46 steps.

Like the M1 exit course, the M2 is simply the steps to get you to the next stage; making what you learned part of you and your habits becomes your responsibility. Always practice, practice, practice.

As for being butthurt by you misinterpreting what I wrote, don't worry about it, it is a discussion and different ideas are expected. I look at all viewpoints and what I think has merit I assimilate.

I think this turned out to be a good thread, not saying it because I started it, a lot of good comments with differing viewpoints are being thrown around and side discussions are starting.

have a great Saturday.
 
Low rider said:
Hey, Che is still a hero.
I not only suggested it........................
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Is he a hero to you because of the motorcycle diaries or because of his ideals, I am big fan of his. Like Che, I think Ewan and Charlie (from long way round) had a similar epiphany; with them it was about the lousy conditions that some live with, the work that Unicef is doing to help kids etc I am not sure if their epiphany took them to the point where they want to do something about it, leave the comforts of their western lives to take on a cause but it is awareness none the less.
 
Well, I am currently reading his book. It's a big book, I am 63% done according to my Kobo.
In my eyes he is still revered in Cuba, because he helped the people overcome, and then when Castro went Communist he got out. Then he died for his beliefs in Bolivia.
 
Low rider said:
Well, I am currently reading his book. It's a big book, I am 63% done according to my Kobo.
In my eyes he is still revered in Cuba, because he helped the people overcome, and then when Castro went Communist he got out. Then he died for his beliefs in Bolivia.
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What book? The biography I read of him said that Castro just wanted to overthrow the American installed regime and hold free elections. It was actually Che who "convinced" Castro of the socialist ways while Castro was in exile in Mexico, and Castro went communist. Che left because he wanted to ultimately free the people of Argentina and he was a doer, he couldn't sit back in opulence while the people still suffered. Castro was the one who was trying to force him to live in mansions with servants and the like, while Che worked 6 and 1/2 days, only giving himself Sunday afternoon off to spend time with his family.

What's true and what's not, I can not say, only what the biography says.

Che Guevara: A Revolutionary Life is the book I'm referring too.
 
TiburonJA said:
I'm pretty sure the cost of the course is the deciding factor for many people anyways. Personally, I think the price of these courses are way too high.
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How do you figure? Gotta cover wages for instructors, repairs and maintenance on bikes people regularly drop and stall.
 
Che Guevara is the book I am reading.

Che did not want communism. He wanted socialism.
Castro sides on Communism.


imnothng said:
What book? The biography I read of him said that Castro just wanted to overthrow the American installed regime and hold free elections. It was actually Che who "convinced" Castro of the socialist ways while Castro was in exile in Mexico, and Castro went communist. Che left because he wanted to ultimately free the people of Argentina and he was a doer, he couldn't sit back in opulence while the people still suffered. Castro was the one who was trying to force him to live in mansions with servants and the like, while Che worked 6 and 1/2 days, only giving himself Sunday afternoon off to spend time with his family.

What's true and what's not, I can not say, only what the biography says.

Che Guevara: A Revolutionary Life is the book I'm referring too.
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Low rider said:
Well, I am currently reading his book. It's a big book, I am 63% done according to my Kobo.
In my eyes he is still revered in Cuba, because he helped the people overcome, and then when Castro went Communist he got out. Then he died for his beliefs in Bolivia.
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Didnt Castro assassinated him? Dont know how true that is

Sent from my Phone, dont judge the grammar
 
Low rider said:
Che Guevara is the book I am reading.

Che did not want communism. He wanted socialism.
Castro sides on Communism.
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without getting into too much, while Castro was in exile in Mexico planning the overthrow of Bautista in Cuba, he met Che (who had gone there after his famous motorcycle ride along the South American coast). Castro knew that by overthrowing the capitalist Bautista it would mean a change of politics and he sought assistance from Russia so he had to follow that line. They both were against capitalism and the privatization of industry. While Castro wanted to change the Cuban state, Che wanted to change the conditions in all countries, that is why he went to Bolivia.

And to stay on topic with this site, Che was motorcyclist.
 
He built a course in Cuba after he over threw Batista.
 
Macs said:
How do you figure? Gotta cover wages for instructors, repairs and maintenance on bikes people regularly drop and stall.
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Well for M2x they do use their own bikes, but you have to have a staging area where you may or may not be paying rent, chase vehicles to do the testing from, wages for instructor/examiners and likely drivers (depending on whether the instructors pair-up for testing/driving duties. Oh yeah, and insurance.
I saw another post as I read through here about the M2X not teaching any new skills. That depends on where you take it, and probably even more on your experience. If you taken a basic rider training program, you learned all the skills necessary to operate a motorcycle. Everything from that point on is refinement. An M2 Exit program gives you an opportunity to get some coaching on some of those skills, maybe to hone them further with some expert advice. Whether the instructors spend any time on that depends on the program, I guess. The other skills are all about observation of and communication with other motorists on the road. Many of them are things some of us take for granted, but often people that come to take an M2 Exit course have spent very little time riding on the roads. They may be good at the physical task of operating the bike, but really unaware of how they should be behaving on the road. They will learn new skills.
 
The M2X course has no provision for actually teaching of rider skills.
The lessons are based on the rider already knowing how to ride.
The lessons are based on positioning and executing curves to a prescribes line to make it to the proper lane position after the curve.
If you show up to an M2X course not knowing how to ride, it's your fault.
The entire course is based on teaching you what is on the test.
Yes, safety, plays a major role in the lessons because safety is what the test is all about.
But riding skills are not taught. You are expected to come to the course with riding skills.
Yes, if you are having difficulties with the riding skills, most instructors will deal with it on a one on one.



Emefef said:
Well for M2x they do use their own bikes, but you have to have a staging area where you may or may not be paying rent, chase vehicles to do the testing from, wages for instructor/examiners and likely drivers (depending on whether the instructors pair-up for testing/driving duties. Oh yeah, and insurance.
I saw another post as I read through here about the M2X not teaching any new skills. That depends on where you take it, and probably even more on your experience. If you taken a basic rider training program, you learned all the skills necessary to operate a motorcycle. Everything from that point on is refinement. An M2 Exit program gives you an opportunity to get some coaching on some of those skills, maybe to hone them further with some expert advice. Whether the instructors spend any time on that depends on the program, I guess. The other skills are all about observation of and communication with other motorists on the road. Many of them are things some of us take for granted, but often people that come to take an M2 Exit course have spent very little time riding on the roads. They may be good at the physical task of operating the bike, but really unaware of how they should be behaving on the road. They will learn new skills.
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