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mimico_polak said:
Many people think their driveways / property goes out to the curb...

Have had many a fight when our contractors go to site in the ROW and get threatened with violence for disturbing the owner's 'personal space'.
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To be fair, the municipalities all do an absolute crap job of that whole situation. You don't own it, you aren't supposed to put improvements in it but if you don't maintain it they fine you with the property standards by-law. Municipalities shouldn't be able to play it both ways. It causes confusion and resentment.

Friends had sprinklers in ROW. Municipality did work and tore them all out without repair or compensation as they weren't supposed to be there. Without sprinklers, too much sun and grass would bake. If they let it go natural, municipality would fine them. The whole thing is stupid.
 
mimico_polak said:
Many people think their driveways / property goes out to the curb...

Have had many a fight when our contractors go to site in the ROW and get threatened with violence for disturbing the owner's 'personal space'.
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And for neighborhoods that are mainly on-street parking there's no fix.
 
GreyGhost said:
Chain your wheel to a nearby lightpost like we do with bikes.
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I already saw this in my hood while driving. I thought TPS brought out those NY city style wheel clamps for parking infringement. But nope, it's a massive clamp that some guy installed on the parked car.

100% agree with @GreyGhost on this. It's the manufacturers playing it loose with the security. If John Deere can shut down the system where people can't even change the spark plug, then the technology to harden already exists (Tesla pin system). At this point, we need gov't regulations to step up or people are going to undermine the system by going full vigilante.
 
mimico_polak said:
Many people think their driveways / property goes out to the curb...
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99% of the time your water main shutoff is on the ROW line. As far as that goes, maintaining everything past that valve is your responsibility, with possible exception of the meter..
 
FullMotoJacket said:
99% of the time your water main shutoff is on the ROW line. As far as that goes, maintaining everything past that valve is your responsibility, with possible exception of the meter..
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That's the simplest demarcation point for most people. My house is in Phase one of our development. I have no visible shutoff. Future phases had shutoffs. I have the grading plan for our lot. Assuming the house was properly located, that makes it pretty easy to find the property lines. Before I built something expensive, I'd get a real survey as the house may not be properly located.
 
POWERMAN said:
Well whaddya know...its on the news today lol

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If I was to install bollards on my driveway...I'd need 15-20 of them as I have 3 open areas that the car can be driven out of...I'll just assume no one will steal an older minivan, or a manual GTI.
 
POWERMAN said:
Well whaddya know...its on the news today lol

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I didn't see a pic of the key. I would be shocked if they used a keyway that isn't trivial to open without the key. Obviously electronic solves the key pick problem but if they are stealing vehicles with keyless ignition, how long is it going to take the thieves to add bollard/garage door control to their arsenal of tools? A hard wired release (eg doorbell button inside the house) solves that issue but there is no way the people installing these would be willing to put up with the hassle of pressing a button before leaving home.
 
What's to keep that TRX from mowing down the bollards? Somehow I suspect it'd be easier than plowing those 2 blocked vehicles enough to have a get-away.
 
mimico_polak said:
If I was to install bollards on my driveway...I'd need 15-20 of them as I have 3 open areas that the car can be driven out of...I'll just assume no one will steal an older minivan, or a manual GTI.
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They would look like poo. Use landscaping to protect the sides (eg armorstone borders) and bollards only where they need to be retracted. I haven't seen gates on a normal lot yet but that seems simpler than bollards and you may get away with them closer to the edge of the road as they aren't permanently installed on city property. Prefab a gate for each side attached to armorstone. If the gates are attached to each other securely, that can be difficult to push through.
 
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LBV said:
What's to keep that TRX from mowing down the bollards? Somehow I suspect it'd be easier than plowing those 2 blocked vehicles enough to have a get-away.
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That comes down to quality of bollards and installation. As long as the bollard didn't break off at ground level, it would trash the undercarriage on the way out (and have a decent chance of getting it hung up and immobile).

This one is thicker but also stopping a ridiculous amount of energy. It was the first video I found. Smaller automated bollards exist that can also stop speeding trucks.

 
Saw a clip on CTV News last night about bollards. They were interviewing a young guy about 24 y.o. from "Bollard Boys" ... he was saying it was about $2k to install.

Not sure I'd trust those guys but I could be wrong.
 
LBV said:
Saw a clip on CTV News last night about bollards. They were interviewing a young guy about 24 y.o. from "Bollard Boys" ... he was saying it was about $2k to install.

Not sure I'd trust those guys but I could be wrong.
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$2K each seems reasonable (although I don't expect them to survive a determined truck). I assume that's manual. You have the price of the bollard, a glorified fence post hole and finishing and cleanup. Fence post holes are about $100 to get drilled and filled with concrete. Bollard costs them probably $500 or less. Finishing and cleanup will take some time as the buyers will be anal and you have to cut in interlock in many cases. Still lots of profit there at $2k.
 
GreyGhost said:
$2K each seems reasonable (although I don't expect them to survive a determined truck). I assume that's manual. You have the price of the bollard, a glorified fence post hole and finishing and cleanup. Fence post holes are about $100 to get drilled and filled with concrete. Bollard costs them probably $500 or less. Finishing and cleanup will take some time as the buyers will be anal and you have to cut in interlock in many cases. Still lots of profit there at $2k.
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I can't see manual being popular with the Forest Hill crowd. Basically a fence post in a socket with a lock.

Add hydraulics, remote controls, power, pavement cutting or tunneling and $2K is only the appetizer.

On the ROW issue, I was told the city wanted to be able to respond to a utilities issue without endangering personnel or requiring excessive equipment.
 
A $569 bollard is cool... but digging up your driveway to install the 5 yards of concrete to make it "secure"... not so much.
I'm willing to bet 99% of these sold will just be tied to the tarmac, and could be knocked over by a 7 year old on a bicycle.
 
I can see $2K for something manual. But for anything automated I expect that to be much higher, you must get power to it, etc.

As for how secure they are... there is likely a good enough to be a deterrent vs totally indestructible consideration. Now...how many people install these will keep the remote (or key) in the vehicle.... because convenience.
 
That $2k quote on CTV was indeed for a manual up/down bollard with a lock key.
 
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