LMAO@ Ducati 1199's dyno number

I've never had a problem running down a BMW S1000r or any Ducati wih my japanese bikes. DUCATI=Italian Harley Davidson that are really just jewelry, shiny and pretty but don't really do much in the real world. I realize that my bike is not the greatest bike in the world, so don’t take what I am about to say out of context. My 07 GSXR has repeatedly passed S1000r's, 1098's and 1198's at speedsabove 280 km/h, with no trouble on stock gearing. That's where hp is obvious in the real world, when wind drag is a factor. Ducati has always made bikes that either don't produce or have so many issues they're not effective on the street. I've had rides held up at Gas stations because a Ducati with a warm engine won't start because it doesn't have decent engine management or a sufficient sized battery. Nice! My buddy, who's had bikes forever (including a punched out GSXR on nitrous 20 years ago) and is an Engineer, has an 1198 that decided not to start after he washed it last week! hahahaha! I laughed my ***** off when he called and told me about it!...he laughed too actually, because he knows that his bike is not what Ducati thinks it is, he's a bit more realistic. It ended up being a problem with the immobilizer ignition that doesn't like getting wet. I've heard so many claims about BMWs and Ducati's making huge HP #s that I laugh too when these companies make some new claim. Honestly, my mildly massaged 2007 Suzuki only makes 170hp at the rear wheel and i weigh over 240 lbs, so why am I able to 'toy' with these supposedly "superior" bikes at will? Throw around whatever numbers you want or believe what you like, but be careful not to bring your 'knife to a gunfight'. Remember that all out performance isn't everything. See how your Ducati/BMWis doing after the same 70 000kms I have on my engine that has never used anyparts or needed ANY adjustments and has always started (still has the original battery) in rain, hot or freezing temperatures, on top of mountains where there’s less oxygen. Order some parts for your Duc or Bimmer and get your calendar out!......see how long they take to show up, if ever, or try to find used stuff online when you dump it ......or go visit you "local"dealer outside of Toronto (which, at least should be more common than Honda dealers in Toronto lately! haha!). I been a Technician at a BMW dealership and I watched a customer's summer tick by waiting for a piece for the throttle housing on thehandlebar of an S1000r. Almost 6 weeks! What a joke! You are buying the product to live with and the support that goes with it after the sale, not just the claimed numbers. Drop the hammer on a Duc or Bimmer beside a Busa or a 14 andlet me know how you make out with that 'most powerful' bike of yours. Those things are FAST for real and you won't like the results for the amount of money that you spent.
 
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Franco58 said:
Hey folks,

I'm a new guy on the forum, but I've been riding for a lot of years. I've been reading this thread and wondering...why does it matter? Don't get me wrong; it's cool to have bragging rights, but at the end of the day...that and a couple of bucks gets you a coffee.

Truth be known, there are a very few riders out there, myself included, who can ride even a middleweight bike to it's full potential and it's definitely not gonna happen on the street!

There are a lot of great bikes out there from every one of the manufacturers. People buy and ride what makes them happy and at the end of the ride; isn't that what it's all about?

Relax on the numbers game and enjoy the ride! :cool:
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I have to say your right on the money with this one. Don't know too many people who can ride a bike to its full potential. Going fast and straight anyone can do and if you can beat an 1199 doing that it doesn't mean your bike is better. People buy Ferraris not because they are fast because we all know a corvette can smoke it, they buy it for the drive and bragging rights
 
I'd much rather have a good quality road engine for the street - which is why I love my current Tuono and will REALLY love my Tuono v4R when I do the trade-up. A great motor isn't all about maximum power, it's about flexibility - this is an issue that the S1000RR has and apparently the Panigale doesn't really have (also, every Japanese supersport other than the ZX-10R doesn't have the issue, either). There's a reason that BMW pushed some power down into the lower revs for 2012, because the only way to make real use of that big power (and BTW, it's more like 175whp and not 185whp without a full $4500 exhaust replacement) is to rev the bolts off it. No damned good for the street, unless you really don't care about going 170km/h+ all the time.

And BTW I've already seen the results of three shootouts and in two of them, the RSV4 Factory beat every other bike around the road course. With its "paltry" 180hp. Litre bikes already have more power than all but the best riders can use, folks...
 
theassassin said:
I've never had a problem running down a BMW S1000r . My 07 GSXR has repeatedly passed S1000r's, 1098's and 1198's at speedsabove 280 km/h, with no trouble on stock gearing. That's where hp is obvious in the real world, when wind drag is a factor. t.
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Maybe the BMW guy has some Common sense? Clearly he has more too lose as well!
 
arsenalrocks said:
MCN already published their liter bike shootout results, BMW once again destoryed the field.track laptime is more than 2s faster than the 1199
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http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/N.../January/jan1012-new-mcn-january-11/Post.aspx

This the shootout you were referring to, where the Panigale, RSV4, and GSXR were not present? The one where the BMW test rider also happens to race the S1000R and has factory support? That shootout? Or is there another recently published re-shootout with all bikes invited to the party?

Once again....link?
 
murf said:
Maybe the BMW guy has some Common sense? Clearly he has more too lose as well!
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..........suddenly a debate about 'common sense' breaks out in a thread thats splitting hairs over the highest hp numbers in the motorcycle world......haha!......ironic. Hopefully this will turn into an "opinion-fest" about who's using the most common sense while going over 280 km/h.
 
awyala said:
This the shootout you were referring to, where the Panigale, RSV4, and GSXR were not present? The one where the BMW test rider also happens to race the S1000R and has factory support? That shootout? Or is there another recently published re-shootout with all bikes invited to the party?
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*ding*
 
awyala said:
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/N.../January/jan1012-new-mcn-january-11/Post.aspx

This the shootout you were referring to, where the Panigale, RSV4, and GSXR were not present? The one where the BMW test rider also happens to race the S1000R and has factory support? That shootout? Or is there another recently published re-shootout with all bikes invited to the party?

Once again....link?
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No not that one. He is talking about the latest one where the Panigale was there. I'll assume the Chav read the actual hard copy. It also says the Pirelli test rider was faster on the Pan than Hodge was on the BMW.
MCN is biased (gets sponsorship/advertising money from BMW) and contradictory and as Shaman said there are other shootouts with different results.

In the end the s1000rr is still hideous and plagued with issues and recalls.

Buy what you like boys and girls. None of y'all will ever ride them to their limits anyway.
 
Shaman said:
... SS bikes already have more power than all but the best riders can use, folks...
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Fixed.

blah blah blah, anyone on here claiming they are faster than this or that bike, or claiming their SS machine is superior to any other SS machine is just d*** measuring, because they're afraid that their's won't match up.

LOL. Post your lap times, or vids of you racing the bike(s) you're claiming to be faster than on the track, because otherwise it's all irrelevant.
 
Franco58 said:
Hey folks,

I'm a new guy on the forum, but I've been riding for a lot of years. I've been reading this thread and wondering...why does it matter? Don't get me wrong; it's cool to have bragging rights, but at the end of the day...that and a couple of bucks gets you a coffee.

Truth be known, there are a very few riders out there, myself included, who can ride even a middleweight bike to it's full potential and it's definitely not gonna happen on the street!

There are a lot of great bikes out there from every one of the manufacturers. People buy and ride what makes them happy and at the end of the ride; isn't that what it's all about?

Relax on the numbers game and enjoy the ride! :cool:
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Nominated for best 1st post ever. :thumbs up:
 
arsenalrocks said:
http://ducati1199.com/ducati-1199/5...ings-about-panigale-mcn-against-others-2.htmlbikes compared: s1000rr, 1199 s, rsv4 aprc, mvt4rr, cbr1000rr, zx-10r we can ignore the suzuki and yamaha, everyone knows they don't even have a chancescan on post#33, S1000rr just destoryed all of them.sometimes, google is your friend. and LMAO to the guy who wrote an essay about ur cheap baseline jap bike.
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..............we should get out for a ride together sometime. It'd likely be a lot of fun!
 
arsenalrocks said:
http://ducati1199.com/ducati-1199/5...ings-about-panigale-mcn-against-others-2.htmlbikes compared: s1000rr, 1199 s, rsv4 aprc, mvt4rr, cbr1000rr, zx-10r we can ignore the suzuki and yamaha, everyone knows they don't even have a chancescan on post#33, S1000rr just destoryed all of them.sometimes, google is your friend. and LMAO to the guy who wrote an essay about ur cheap baseline jap bike.
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.....forgot to mention........my essay wasn't about my 'cheap baseline jap bike', pay attention! It was about my 'cheap baseline jap bike' smoking expensive, exclusive, self proclaimed world leading Ducatis and BMWs that won't start if you get them wet or need to wait 6 weeks for a throttle component. In that state, any bike, no matter how much HP it makes, is useless. Go put 70 000 kms on your Ducati or BMW and if it still runs and hasn't consumed a million $$ of your money in maintenance and breakages and months of downtime due to lack of parts and support, then you'll be at my poor old GSXR1000's level. When your bike acheives my lowly GSXR's 70 000kms, I will pay for the dyno runs for our bikes and I'll pay for the track time so you and I can compare our bikes on a closed circuit roadrace course and drag strip just to make it interesting! No wagers or trash talk. Just some facts at the 70 000kms mark, that's all. After making this offer, I realize I digress, as I do hold to the convention that these machines should be held to the standard of "street" use as I said in my OP. In that case, forget the mileage, the dyno and closed courses......just name the Timmy's we'll meet at for a friendly ride together and to see who can "out pose" whom. I'm pretty old, fat, bald and ugly and my poor lowly GSXR has its battlescars too, so the "pose down" probably won't last long anyways and that part my GSXR and I can handle............but the ride will be a different story. Could you imagine being shown up on an expensive machine by that same old, fat, bald guy on a sacked out 'cheap baseline jap bike' with 70 000kms on it? =D
 
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chill, you know the legendary BMW Flat-2s are known to last over 500,000km+, right?
theassassin said:
.....forgot to mention........my essay wasn't about my 'cheap baseline jap bike', pay attention! It was about my 'cheap baseline jap bike' smoking expensive, exclusive, self proclaimed world leading Ducatis and BMWs that won't start if you get them wet or need to wait 6 weeks for a throttle component. In that state, any bike, no matter how much HP it makes, is useless. Go put 70 000 kms on your Ducati or BMW and if it still runs and hasn't consumed a million $$ of your money in maintenance and breakages and months of downtime due to lack of parts and support, then you'll be at my poor old GSXR1000's level. When your bike acheives my lowly GSXR's 70 000kms, I will pay for the dyno runs for our bikes and I'll pay for the track time so you and I can compare our bikes on a closed circuit roadrace course and drag strip just to make it interesting! No wagers or trash talk. Just some facts at the 70 000kms mark, that's all. After making this offer, I realize I digress, as I do hold to the convention that these machines should be held to the standard of "street" use as I said in my OP. In that case, forget the mileage, the dyno and closed courses......just name the Timmy's we'll meet at for a friendly ride together or to see who can "out pose" whom =D
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